Originally posted by Emperor AshtarIf you know where to position your shield or what ever before the guy pulls the trigger than yes. And logic would point out haya did the same thing, knowing where the bullet would hit, then attempting to block, even if you were to dodge bullets you do it BEFORE the guy pulls the trigger, hayabusa is a human, not a god
So, if I had a gun pointed at you, I guess you would be able to swat the bullets out the air or dodged them, right?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Unexpected, he was looking dead at him.
Originally posted by Kadesh
If you know where to position your shield or what ever before the guy pulls the trigger than yes. And logic would point out haya did the same thing, knowing where the bullet would hit, then attempting to block
Originally posted by Kadesh
What part of my sentence did you not understand?
The part where your claiming cloud caught sephiroth unexpectedly, despite looking dead at him.
Just...explain to us how unexpected was it? Because you seem to convince only yourself.
Sephiroth has him beat. Unarmed. Wounded. Staring at him and yet he cannot stop cloud from grabbing the Masamune, pulling it out, stabbing it in the block, grabbing the First Tsurugi and swing it at him. Then he looks at Cloud as if he was stoned and watches in amazement and excstacy as the sword splits in 5 all around him and then decides to enjoy the fancy fireworks while Cloud annihilates him.
In AC Sephiroth wasn't wounded like in their first encounter. At least that loss can be reasonable, but this...meh.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarUnless i have the skills, no and isnt haya a skill ful swordsman, then ask yourself, how does a jedi block a laser bolt? you are asking some one with no skills weather or not he can block a bullet with a sword, what for when i can dodge before the guy pulls the trigger? haya simply demonstrated his skill in blocking those bullets being concious of where they are coming from
No, sheild, I'm taking about blocking bullets with a katana. Could you do that?
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarI doubt you understand what suprise and unexpected attacks from an opponent are
The part where your claiming cloud caught sephiroth unexpectedly, despite looking dead at him.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeDo you have logic? Sephiroth has NEVER seen that move before and he got caught offguard
Just...explain to us how unexpected was it? Because you seem to convince only yourself.Sephiroth has him beat. Unarmed. Wounded. Staring at him and yet he cannot stop cloud from grabbing the Masamune, pulling it out, stabbing it in the block, grabbing the First Tsurugi and swing it at him. Then he looks at Cloud as if he was stoned and watches in amazement and excstacy as the sword splits in 5 all around him and then decides to enjoy the fancy fireworks while Cloud annihilates him.
In AC Sephiroth wasn't wounded like in their first encounter. At least that loss can be reasonable, but this...meh.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Unless i have the skills, no and isnt haya a skill ful swordsman, then ask yourself, how does a jedi block a laser bolt? you are asking some one with no skills weather or not he can block a bullet with a sword, what for when i can dodge before the guy pulls the trigger? haya simply demonstrated his skill in blocking those bullets being concious of where they are coming fromI doubt you understand what suprise and unexpected attacks from an opponent are
It is stupid to think someone can actually block deflect bullets with a katana.
Jedi deflect laser bolts because of the force for two reasons: they forsee/predict where it's going to hit, and the force enhances their speed to inhuman stats.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Unless i have the skills, no and isnt haya a skill ful swordsman, then ask yourself, how does a jedi block a laser bolt?
Are jedi's real?
Originally posted by Kadesh
you are asking some one with no skills weather or not he can block a bullet with a sword, what for when i can dodge before the guy pulls the trigger? haya simply demonstrated his skill in blocking those bullets being concious of where they are coming from
So, your implying someone can dodge a bullet flying at them at 1000 meters a second with a katana in real life?
Originally posted by Kadesh
I doubt you understand what suprise and unexpected attacks from an opponent areDo you have logic? Sephiroth has NEVER seen that move before and he got caught offguard
So, what, the guy should have been able to avoid it. None of clouds attacks put a dent in him and then some deus ex machina surprise hits him, that's PIS
EDIT: Ryu is not sephiroth, he will not be stupid enough to let cloud have chance if he wants to kill him.
So because he never saw the move he was forced to float in mid-air doing nothing?
I'd think a Legendary SOLDIER of Sephiroth's status would be more than capable of handling a situation like that.
The whole limit was something Sephiroth could have avoided in the first place. Not to mention that for Cloud to actually go and perform a move like that he would have to be bloodlusted in my honest opinion--which he was in the case of Sephiroth.
For one, learn to debate
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarIs hayabusa real?
Are jedi's real?
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarIn reality no, and haya is a fiction character and can do what ever is not possible in real life, cloud and all other fantasy characters do this
So, your implying someone can dodge a bullet flying at them at 1000 meters a second with a katana in real life?
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarUm but wouldnt he get caught off guard by an attack which he has never seen before?EDIT: Ryu is not sephiroth, he will not be stupid enough to let cloud have chance if he wants to kill him.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
It is stupid to think someone can actually block deflect bullets with a katana.
which is what haya did... overrated? indeed
EDIT
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeHe was taunting clound, yes he was overconfident because he thought he was going to kill cloud, but he DID NOT expect that slash attack which got him killed, understand now?
So because he never saw the move he was forced to float in mid-air doing nothing?
Originally posted by Kadesh
For one, learn to debateIs hayabusa real?
I never said he was, you on the other hand brought jedi's up when I asked you to prove someone can dodge a bullet in real life, take your own advice.
Originally posted by Kadesh
In reality no, and haya is a fiction character and can do what ever is not possible in real life, cloud and all other fantasy characters do this
Originally posted by Kadesh
Um but wouldnt he get caught off guard by an attack which he has never seen before?
Not if he killed him in the first place.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarOne, you are asking something very idiotic and irrelevant to this topic about weather or not people can dodge bullets in real life, in the gaming world its different ok? Characters can so anything there which cannot be done in the real word
I never said he was, you on the other hand brought jedi's up when I asked you to prove someone can dodge a bullet in real life, take your own advice.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarAgain did you see clouds omnislash, where sephiroth and the audience could not catch up to clouds movements?
Show me cloud blocking bullets like hayabusa does, infact show me cloud having speed on par with ryu.
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Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Not if he killed him in the first place.
I still don't understand how a high ranked elite SOLDIER will just float in mid-air because he was caught by "surprise." What's so surprising about the move? Couldn't he tell Cloud's intentions? He wasn't going to tickle Sephiroth for candy, and still he decided to take it like a man...or as close as anime yaoi rejects can get to men. I understand your point 100% Problem is your point is not helping Cloud in this debate.
Originally posted by Kadesh
One, you are asking something very idiotic and irrelevant to this topic about weather or not people can dodge bullets in real life, in the gaming world its different ok? Characters can so anything there which cannot be done in the real wordAgain did you see clouds omnislash, where sephiroth and the audience could not catch up to clouds movements?
Not if cloud performs the attack first, point moot
You must have problems with your sight because I could see from which direction Cloud was coming from and what he did. Are you handicapped? It was fast, but not faster than the eye can see, and the omnislash was not clearly visible because of all the fancy effects.
Cloud would perform it first IF he was faster, but in this case he is not.
Originally posted by Superboy Primehe jumped mid air before cloud performed the attack. Whats so suprising? that he did not see it before? that he has no idea what it is? that he has no idea what is going to happen? Not helping cloud? im pointing out how he could kidd haya with that same attack where haya has never seen before
I still don't understand how a high ranked elite SOLDIER will just float in mid-air because he was caught by "surprise." What's so surprising about the move? Couldn't he tell Cloud's intentions? He wasn't going to tickle Sephiroth for candy, and still he decided to take it like a man...or as close as anime yaoi rejects can get to men. I understand your point 100% Problem is your point is not helping Cloud in this debate.
Originally posted by Superboy Primeyou can see where he went, but could you see his movements clearly? could you catch up to it and if you were in sephiroths situation would you be able to counter?
You must have problems with your sight because I could see from which direction Cloud was coming from. Are you handicapped?Cloud would perform it first IF he was faster, but in this case he is not.
Originally posted by Kadesh
One, you are asking something very idiotic and irrelevant to this topic about weather or not people can dodge bullets in real life, in the gaming world its different ok? Characters can so anything there which cannot be done in the real word
Well, according to you if I know what direction a bullet is coming from I can block it. You never made distiction between real or fictional characters in that post. Infact you even implyed it could be done in real life and brought up jedi's as an example.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Again did you see clouds omnislash, where sephiroth and the audience could not catch up to clouds movements?
Originally posted by Kadesh
Not if cloud performs the attack first, point moot
Originally posted by Kadesh
he jumped mid air before cloud performed the attack. Whats so suprising? that he did not see it before? that he has no idea what it is? that he has no idea what is going to happen? Not helping cloud? im pointing out how he could kidd haya with that same attack where haya has never seen before
Ok. Suppose Cloud performs the Omnislash V. 5. Ryu Hayabusa performs a Nimpo(forgot it's name) that blasts fire from his area and outwards. What do you suppose would happen to the 5 swords floating around him? They will fall. Cloud will attempt to grab one, will not be able to stop his momentum, he will get burnt and he will get stabbed through his heart. End of Cloud.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarWow you really are a hypocrite, well now i would say fictional, And if you were that smart you would have asked earlier am i correct?
Well, according to you if I know what direction a bullet is coming from I can block it. You never made distiction between real or fictional characters in that post. Infact you even implyed it could be donme in real life and brought up jedi's as an example.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarWho cared who could see it, sephiroth was caught off guard
Who cares if the audience could not see it, sephiroth sshould.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarIt depends what sort of attack, in this situation how would haya know what cloud is going to do? How would haya know what the hell is that attack because he has never seen anything like that before? Do you think haya would know how to defend against this when he would now know which sword strikes first ?
So, your claiming if someone performs an attack first they can't be evaded?
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeWhat do you suppose would happen if cloud performs the attack before hayabusa performs t his special attack?
Ok. Suppose Cloud performs the Omnislash V. 5. Ryu Hayabusa performs a Nimpo(forgot it's name) that blasts fire from his area and outwards. What do you suppose would happen to the 5 swords floating around him? They will fall. Cloud will attempt to grab one, will not be able to stop his momentum, he will get burnt and he will get stabbed through his heart. End of Cloud.
Originally posted by Kadesh
you can see where he went, but could you see his movements clearly? could you catch up to it and if you were in sephiroths situation would you be able to counter?
It's not a matter of speed, but the effects that go along with the limit that make it not that clear. **** if I know I'm not a legendary SOLDIER like Sephiroth, but one thing's for sure Cloud would have been impaled through his forhead if I was Sephiroth.