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Obi Wan Kenobi (TPM) vs Anakin Skywalker (AOTC)
Obi Wan Kenobi as a Padawan vs Anakin Skywalker as a Padawan
Battlefield: Naboo (Where Qui Gon Jinn met his demise)
No Restrictions
*Obi Wan defeated Darth Maul, Anakin put up a strong fight against Count Dooku. This should be very close.
Who do you think and why?
This has been done loads of times. Kenobi got lucky against Maul. But he is a Jedi Knight by the end of TPM where Anakin is only a Padawan and I can't see Anakin killing Maul like Kenobi did. Anakin's a level 7 in saber combat, Kenobi a level 6 but a level 7 when he uses the Dark Side (according to Nick Gillard) so normally with pure saber skills Anakin is slightly ahead but I see Kenobi winning due to (probably) greater Force skills and control, plus he has more intuition and training. Also, Anakin thought he could take Dooku alone so against some Padawan he'd probably get mega cocky and get decapitated quickly.
Originally posted by Kas'Im
How d'you mean?
Anakin knows he's stronger than his peers and thats why he does things that other Jedi don't do, ie jump out of a speeder hundreds of stories up and land on the speeder he was aiming for. So i think he's more powerful than OB1 has an apprentice, but being that OB1 got actual RESPECT from his Master, he wasn't out to prove himself as much as Anakin felt he had to. Also, Anakin was a slave during childhood, so he could see how his friends got to act and have a normal childhood, whereas OB1 was with the Jedi as a kid and couldn't miss something he never had or saw. So OB1 might have a more mature mind when ANakin might want to experience a "normal" adolescence. Hence OB1 being more serious, ya know?
Ob1 isn't that great with the force, but he was older than Anakin was and is more defensive. Anakin has a lot of aggression and thats what got him in trouble with Dooku. I think Anakin could pull it off, but more often than not, OB1 would. Maybe 6/10 in favor of Kenobi.
Kenobi wins. I am not sure if this is true, but doesn't it say in the novel that he calmed his mind and then cut off Maul's saber. That's pretty powerful. Even if he gets fueled by the Dark Side, how much more powerful does he become? I don't see Anakin doing that against Maul.
In addition, didn't Anakin used rage and cockiness in his duel against Dooku. Anakin was already pissed off at Tyrannus and then Dooku pawns his Master. And even then Anakin gets toyed by and still gets pawned. I would say Kenobi would give a better fight than that.
Kenobi is also very clear-minded and determined. Anakin will get cocky and Kenobi will find some way to defeat Anakin.
Also, Darth, I do not use levels but in this case I will. ROTS Anakin says his powers have doubled, doesn't that mean AOTC Anakin is a Level 5? For the sake of it, I would say he's a six. I highly doubt that he's a seven. A seven would be pretty good and the level masters like Agen Kolar would be as eight would be Cin Drallig, Billaba, Koon, Unduli, and Vos.
Originally posted by darthsith19
And what was his reason for being cocky against Dooku?
I wouldn't say cocky off the bat, i would say his was more mad that he had a lot of Jedi killed and Made Padme fall out of her ship, so he wasn't thinking clearly. Then he did last longer against Dooku than OB1 did as a full Jedi Knight, so thats a testament to his power.
If Anakin said his powers doubled then we have to assume they did. There's nothing else to contradict or say otherwise. Also, Lucas said that at the time of ROTS, Anakin was the most powerful, he just didn't have as much experience as the other Jedi. If OB1 only beat Maul out of luck, then that doesn't show how powerful he his, it shows how lucky he is. He didn't claim Mauls mind, he just did and saber strike upwards and cut it. Anakin would fair better against Maul being that their styles match better and they're similar. But at the time of AOTC, Anakin would probably fall to Maul after a long duel. Its already been said that Maul was better than OB1.
"In addition, didn't Anakin used rage and cockiness in his duel against Dooku. Anakin was already pissed off at Tyrannus and then Dooku pawns his Master. And even then Anakin gets toyed by and still gets pawned. I would say Kenobi would give a better fight than that."
uh....what? How did Anakin get "toyed by" after OB1 was beaten? Are you referring to AOTC or ROTS? Last i recalled Anakin saved OB1's ass again and then did better than OB1. His injury was more serious but he faired better against Dooku.
Anakin didn't get cocky against OB1 till he had time to sit there and "think" for a minute. If Anakin is in the moment and just fighting out of instinct, I don't think he gets cocky, especially against someone that he knows real well. He's knows that if he makes a mistake that OB1 would capitalize. I'm thinking he would be more cautous and careful with OB1. We're not talking about Anakin on the darkside, so he has no real reason to be fighting with blind rage.
Also. I have no idea what you said about levels...you lost me....maybe I'm too drunk, but i didn't get it. Like i said, I think OB1 would squeeze out more wins, but they wouldn't be easy at all and Anakin could definitely win a few as well.
To Quinlan - Yes, the system of levels is a bit complicated, however, I doubt all level 7 swordsmen are equal - for example, Anakin in AOTC is a level 7 and someone like Kit may also be a level 7 but are they equal? No. And while Anakin got alot stronger between ROTS and AOTC I doubt his powers doubled, that's just Anakin talkin' shit to Dooku. In AOTC he's a level 7, I'd guess a low level 7, ROTS he's a 8, I'd guess a high 8, and a 9 when using the Dark Side. He also got stronger with the Force and got far smarter and gained alot of battle experience. Koon, Billaba, Vos, Unduli and Drallig would be very low level 8's for the most part I think, Dooku a middle-high level 8, then ROTS Anakin and Obi-Wan would be high level 8's.