The so-called religion of Atheism!

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
And why do you have to? Because you won't get into heaven if you don't? That seems kind of selfish to me. If you help someone for your own benefit, you aren't practicing what Jesus preached. You're only doing it for yourself. That would make Jesus ashamed.

You really think i'm doing this because of that? you can think what you like, but i wouldn't be trying to tell you this if i could simply get to heaven without doing so 🙂 i don't need to be telling you this, i have been "hypocritical" on here before you know. I'm just doing this cause i believe that's what god wants me to do, even though it doesn't make any difference about going to heaven.

Originally posted by Emo?
You really think i'm doing this because of that? you can think what you like, but i wouldn't be trying to tell you this if i could simply get to heaven without doing so 🙂 i don't need to be telling you this, i have been "hypocritical" on here before you know. I'm just doing this cause i believe that's what god wants me to do, even though it doesn't make any difference about going to heaven.

Originally posted by Emo?
No, a christian is more likely to help them than you, because you don't have to, i would atleast share it. 🙂

It's a strong belief that can heal someones ailments...Not a certain god, but the belief in that thing....could be any strong belief.

Originally posted by lord xyz
It seems that alot of people here don't understand what it's like to be atheist, or even, what it is. [b]It's not a religion. And here's why.

Every religion has a belief system that can't be explained or proven by true science. An example is god. Another thing religion has is a prophet, someone who started the belief, or who believed it first. The third is a book, or a set of rules, something that the followers read to be "good". Another thing they have is a house, or a building in which the follwers go to to show respect. Teachers who adress the religion, (priests, bishops, mullars etc.). And lastly, a symble that represent their faith to it.

Christianity

Supernatural Beliefs: God, The Trinity, the life of Jesus, Moses, angels, the devil, heavan n hell, noah, Adam n Eve etc.
Prophet: Jesus (and possibly the very first people who actually wrote the Bible)
Book: Bible
Building: Church/Chaple
Teachers: Priest/Vicar < Bishop < Pope/Ruler of England
Symbol: Cross

Judaisism

Supernatural Beliefs: God, Adam n Eve, Moses, David, the devil, heavan n hell, Noah etc.
Prophet: Moses (I think)
Book: Torah
Building: Synagogue
Teacher: Rabbi
Symbol: 6 pointed star

Islam

Supernatural Beliefs: God, Heaven n Hell, The Earth being the centre of the world and no one able to leave it, Adam n Eve, the devil etc.
Prophet: Muhammed
Book: Quran
Building: Mosque
Teacher: Mullar < Cleric
Symbol: The moon n star

Sikhism

Supernatural Beliefs: God, the life of the ten gurus
Prophet: Guru Nanak
Book: Guru Granth Sahib
Building: Gurdwara
Teacher: Guru
Symbol: Khanda

Hinduism

Supernatural Beliefs: God, Shiva, Vishnu, Shakti, reincarnation etc.
Prophet: Unknown
Book: Karma
Building: Temple
Teacher: Guru
Symbol: Aum, Swastika

Buddhism

Supernatural Beliefs: Karma, Reincarnation, the life of Buddha
Prophet: Buddha
Book: Dhamma
Building: Temple
Teacher: Monks
Symbol: The Conch Shell, the Lotus, the Wheel, the Parasol (Umbrella), the Endless Knot, the Pair of Golden Fishes, the Banner, Proclaiming Victory, the Treasure Vase

Atheism

Supernatural Beliefs: None.
Prophet: None.
Book: None.
Building: None.
Teacher: None.
Symbol: None.

As you can see, Atheists have no book, beliefs, prophets etc. Atheism is not the disbelief of anything. It's the abscence of belief. It's not an organised alternative teaching method to youngens. It's not a religion. Don't treat it as one. Because that's where the problem stasts. [/B]

There is no such animal as an absence of belief for even if an atheist does not believe, there decision to not believe constitutes a belief. Atheist do believe something: they believe (wholeheartedly and sincerely) that God does not exist. That is there belief. It is a negative belief but still a belief nonetheless.

Originally posted by Emo?
You really think i'm doing this because of that? you can think what you like, but i wouldn't be trying to tell you this if i could simply get to heaven without doing so 🙂 i don't need to be telling you this, i have been "hypocritical" on here before you know. I'm just doing this cause i believe that's what god wants me to do, even though it doesn't make any difference about going to heaven.

Doing what? I've not seen you 'do' anything. I'm addressing your use of the phrase "you don't have to" in regards to helping someone. Which implies you feel you do have to help someone. Some where between "don't have to" and "doesn't make any difference about going to heaven" you've got to admit there's a bit of a disparity in your position.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Atheist do believe something: they believe (wholeheartedly and sincerely) that God does not exist. That is there belief. It is a negative belief but still a belief nonetheless.

Why is it negative, JIA? That would be like me saying that your belief in Jesus is negative. Say what you will, but calling another person's belief negative, to me, is very close minded and ignorant.

Originally posted by Impediment
Why is it negative, JIA? That would be like me saying that your belief in Jesus is negative. Say what you will, but calling another person's belief negative, to me, is very close minded and ignorant.

You haven't heard that one of my pet peeves if you would is being misquoted. I said that there belief is "a" negative meaning that it is the opposite. I did not say that it is negative. Believe it or not there is a difference pal. But since you brought up the subject atheism is negative. There is nothing good about it. The fool has said in his heart that there is no God.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But since you brought up the subject atheism is negative. There is nothing good about it. The fool has said in his heart that there is no God.

Again, you're bashing beliefs, trying to make your beliefs superior to others than your own.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You haven't heard that one of my pet peeves if you would is being misquoted. I said that there belief is "a" negative meaning that it is the opposite. I did not say that it is negative. Believe it or not there is a difference pal. But since you brought up the subject atheism is negative. There is nothing good about it. The fool has said in his heart that there is no God.

The fool is the one who has said there is your god and only your god.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Fact 1) You understand nothing about the various forms of atheism.
Fact 2) Christianity is a based on ideas and rituals appropriated from other (pagan) religions. The current state of the Bible having undergone various translations, omissions and falsifications in no way resembles how it was originally written - you sanctify a false idol.
Fact 3) Your haughty attitude and preaching are sickening and you're a hypocrite.

The fool is the one who has said there is your god and only your god.

Haughty attitude? How so X-women? (Don't get bent out of shape I am just joking.) First off I didn't call you or any atheist a fool--God did so throw your rocks at God. Express your tantrums at God not me.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is no such animal as an absence of belief for even if an atheist does not believe, there decision to not believe constitutes a belief. Atheist do believe something: they believe (wholeheartedly and sincerely) that God does not exist. That is there belief. It is a negative belief but still a belief nonetheless.

Doesn't change the fact that they are not believing in a God and thus different from a religion.

Belief alone does not make a person religious. I believe England will win the Ashes again this cricket season. I believe Australia wont. That doesn't make me religious or Cricket a religion.

You believe ina God, you follow a religion. An Atheist doesn't, thus they aren't following a religion. Atheist is lack of belief in a God, and religion has never been defined as also including "lack of belief in a God" since it requires belief in something of a religious belief to be a religion.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Doesn't change the fact that they are not believing in a God and thus different from a religion.

Belief alone does not make a person religious. I believe England will win the Ashes again this cricket season. I believe Australia wont. That doesn't make me religious or Cricket a religion.

You believe ina God, you follow a religion. An Atheist doesn't, thus they aren't following a religion. Atheist is lack of belief in a God, and religion has never been defined as also including "lack of belief in a God" since it requires belief in something of a religious belief to be a religion.

Buddy ole pal, I didn't say that it did change anything did I? Neither did I affirm that a belief made an atheist religious did I? I simply settled the fact that there is not an absence of belief as your boy xyz asserted. Ecumenically speaking atheists do believe something that is all I endeavored to establish, and that I did.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Buddy ole pal, I didn't say that it did change anything did I? Neither did I affirm that a belief made an atheist religious did I? I simply settled the fact that there is not an absence of belief as your boy xyz asserted. Ecumenically speaking atheists do believe something that is all I endeavored to establish, and that I did.

Ok.

Originally posted by Impediment
Again, you're bashing beliefs, trying to make your beliefs superior to others than your own.

Tell me something Impediment: God says that the fool has said in his heart there is no God. If any person dies not believing that Jesus Christ is He (whatever Jesus meant by that) then according to the Bible they have died in their sins. Again, tell me what is good about dying in your sins? So to me atheism is negative.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Tell me something Impediment: God says that the fool has said in his heart there is no God. If any person dies not believing that Jesus Christ is He (whatever Jesus meant by that) then according to the Bible they have died in their sins. Again, tell me what is good about dying in your sins? So to me atheism is negative.

Assuming that your understand of the bible, and the bible its self, it true.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Tell me something Impediment: God says that the fool has said in his heart there is no God. If any person dies not believing that Jesus Christ is He (whatever Jesus meant by that) then according to the Bible they have died in their sins. Again, tell me what is good about dying in your sins? So to me atheism is negative.

At the risk of being accused at taking up someone else's argument...

To an atheist it isn't. An atheist doesn't believe there is a God, thus there are no sins - simply man made laws and concepts of right and wrong. For many Atheists religions are not right to them. Ergo they will not join them, as they believe they are doing what is right.

Someone once asked "but God might exist so why not cover all bases and just play along" - but to me that is intolerable. One should have conviction in what they are doing, as well as an open mind. The thought that there might be a Jesus is not reason enough to submit oneself to a religion that doesn't feel right and has moral and ethical problems in my view. Ergo an atheist is not dying in their sins in their eyes. They are living good full lives and then they will die and that will be it, and none of this is a negative. It is only by your definition that there is something wrong with atheism, something no atheist feels is justified.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Again, tell me what is good about dying in your sins?

umm...better than dying for other people's sins 😮

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
umm...better than dying for other people's sins 😮

Dying in sin or dying for another's sins makes sin into something bigger then it really is. Sin is not a condition or a thing you can batter with. Sin is simple making mistakes.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Dying in sin or dying for another's sins makes sin into something bigger then it really is. Sin is not a condition or a thing you can batter with. Sin is simple making mistakes.

if sins are simply mistakes, then how can anyone say God hasn't sinned?