Originally posted by donnieij
What are you talking about?
And BTW I played KOTOR 1 and you find a holocron in Korriban and you also learn more abilities as you progressed threw the game
C-canon is primarily composed of elements from the Expanded Universe including books, comics, and games bearing the label of Star Wars. Games and RPG sourcebooks are a special case; the stories and general background information are themselves fully C-canon, but the other elements such as character/item statistics and gameplay are, with few exceptions, N-canon.
We generally treat gameplay (especially mechanics, i.e. "attack rolls" and "damage" and even which Force powers you learn throughout the game) as Not-canon because it can vary from person to person. So while your character may have been exceptionally skilled with a blade, my gunslinger build could have been just as deadly. Since the actual "canon" (or "real"😉 Revan remains mostly unknown, it is difficult to use him in Vs. threads.
Thus, when I asked you how you know he was "trained as a guardian," I was asking if you had a non-gameplay source telling you that. (I went with Consular just as often as Guardian.)
Originally posted by donnieij
What are you talking about?
And BTW I played KOTOR 1 and you find a holocron in Korriban and you also learn more abilities as you progressed threw the game
You find a holocron on Korriban.
Anyways, I find your assessment bulletproof, but I'm forced to disagree with your final conclusion. In my kotor 1, my Revan was at a level way higher than Bane from the novels, he taught himself Force Storm which is one of the strongest Force powers.
Also, it's important to know how many medpacs, mines and grenades he is allowed to bring. If he isn't allowed to bring any, then he is at a severe disadvantage.
Well... to help clear matters up a bit, what exactly did Revan and Malak find before they came back to attack the Republic? Besides the Star Forge and all that you find in the game. I don't remember for sure but wasn't there some Sith Lord or other that they found way out there? Maybe my memory is just bad.
You are all missing the point of banes strength. Bane even said himself that he had only raw talent in the force, and, true enough, the only time we ever see him performing any rituals is three times.
1. he directs the force powers of the sith lords when they were fighting against the army of light.
2. he creates a holocron
3. he tries(and fails) at essence transfer.
now i read here from somewhere that bane "learned" that burst of energy he used at the temple on lehon. How can you "learn" a burst of raw energy? Its like learning how to throw a fit. as San'Doria said, Bane pulled a moon out of Orbit. you dont learn how to do that, thats a raw ability you can just use. we never see bane using any sith rituals or anything else in that kind except those three times that is listed. Bane cracks skulls, crushes people and chops them in half with a lightsaber, and all that he learned from revan was to give himself over to the dark side completely. now, he also learned some techniques and rituals, but when does he ever use them?
Also, on a sidenote, San'Doria was complaining alot about Revan Fanboyism, however, i get the feeling, she (or he) is her(or his)self a fanboy of Bane. She(or he) missed Banes key argument points anyway.
AND, before i forget, i understand that canonically it has been said multiple times that yoda and luke are the strongest jedi, but really, in what aspect? they never did shit. in my opinion there both bitches. also, i think revan is the strongest jedi because he understands both dark and light sides of the force, and stopped Malak while he was on the star forge taking energy from many jedi. the light side generally is much weaker, however Revan is a champion of it.
on the sith note, the strongest sith in my opinion will never be sidious, he's the same as yoda and luke, what did he ever do? sure, he's not the weakest sith ever, but what's this nonsense about strongest? in my opinion the strongest soth ever is the Emperor, the one from SWTOR. he managed to completely cheat death, no one ever defeated him or ever will, and now he has the force power of many sith lords and the rest of an entire plant. that kind of power is unthinkeable, and theoretically, he probably never died, meaning he could be anyone, even your precious sidious.
Originally posted by TenebraeI lol'd.
AND, before i forget, i understand that canonically it has been said multiple times that yoda and luke are the strongest jedi, but really, in what aspect? they never did shit. in my opinion there both bitches. also, i think revan is the strongest jedi because he understands both dark and light sides of the force, and stopped Malak while he was on the star forge taking energy from many jedi. the light side generally is much weaker, however Revan is a champion of it.on the sith note, the strongest sith in my opinion will never be sidious, he's the same as yoda and luke, what did he ever do? sure, he's not the weakest sith ever, but what's this nonsense about strongest? in my opinion the strongest soth ever is the Emperor, the one from SWTOR. he managed to completely cheat death, no one ever defeated him or ever will, and now he has the force power of many sith lords and the rest of an entire plant. that kind of power is unthinkeable, and theoretically, he probably never died, meaning he could be anyone, even your precious sidious.
Originally posted by Tenebrae
AND, before i forget, i understand that canonically it has been said multiple times that yoda and luke are the strongest jedi, but really, in what aspect? they never did shit. in my opinion there both bitches. also, i think revan is the strongest jedi because he understands both dark and light sides of the force, and stopped Malak while he was on the star forge taking energy from many jedi. the light side generally is much weaker, however Revan is a champion of it.[B]on the sith note, the strongest sith in my opinion will never be sidious, he's the same as yoda and luke, what did he ever do?
sure, he's not the weakest sith ever, but what's this nonsense about strongest? in my opinion the strongest soth ever is the Emperor, the one from SWTOR. he managed to completely cheat death, no one ever defeated him or ever will, and now he has the force power of many sith lords and the rest of an entire plant. that kind of power is unthinkeable, and theoretically, he probably never died, meaning he could be anyone, even your precious sidious. [/B]
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First: is this a fight between Darth Bane and DARTH Revan (referring to the difference of powers between Darth Revan and the redeemed Revan, and even the redeemed Revan who regained all of his memories). I'd say that when Revan regained all of his memories, he became his most powerful. He was able to call upon both the light and dark side, giving him unique powers.
And does this Darth Bane have Orbalisk armor, or no? because while the armor makes him nearly invulnerable in battle, and gives him an increased power in the force, he also relies on a different technique. As described during his battle against his apprentice Darth Zannah, his technique became more refined and subtle, but still incredibly powerful.
Darth Revan is incredibly powerful, Kreia described looking at him being like staring into the heart of the force. He possessed many of the usual Sith powers, notably Sith lightning. He was well versed in all of the Jedi Arts, and master of all of the lightsaber forms. He had a Sith's subtlety, a Mandalorians aggression, a Jedi's empathy, a politician's charisma. Kreia said that he learned from many masters, and soaked up information at an incredible rate. He knew a great amount of ancient Sith techniques, such as the thought bomb, which he taught to Bane through his holocron. It should be noted that much of what he learned from ancient Sith techniques were incredibly dangerous to use, even for a fully realized Dark Lord of the Sith.
Darth Bane was both physically unmatched, but also unmatched in the force. He was described as a brute, and yet had a remarkable mind. He was born for the dark side, cruel and cunning, but most of all patient. He was well versed in all of the lightsaber forms, preferring Form V, which allowed him to use his power to his advantage. In a battle against his lightsaber instructor, he was able to nearly overpower him, until confronted with the duel lightsaber form, where he had to rely on his superior strength in the force to win him the battle. It should be noted that much of what he learned early on as a sith came from Darth Revan's holocron.
For the sake of the question, let us assume that this is a battle between Darth Bane WITHOUT his armor, and Darth Revan before he was captured during the Jedi Civil War. This is a battle between the DARK lords, at the pinnacle of their Sith powers and knowledge.
In the end, i give this one to Darth Revan. In terms of Force power, they are near equals. In terms of Force knowledge, I'd give this to Bane, as he learned all that Revan put onto his holocron. While Revan had to devote much of his time to the wars he was involved in, Bane was nearly invisible in the eyes of the galaxy, and was able to use his black market contacts to gather nearly as much knowledge about the Sith in his library as did the Jedi in their archives. In terms of lightsaber prowess, I'd give it to Revan, as he fought in 2 wars against mandalorians, soldiers, and Jedi. Canderous Ordo called Revan 'the single greatest warrior of this age'. He used his agility to move about during combat, and while Bane has a greater strength, Revan has a greater skill. Revan was a legend, he traveled the galaxy preforming incredible feats. His most famous battle was against Mandalore the Ultimate, who, while not a force user, was still the greatest warrior in the galaxy at the time. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be a close battle, in fact, I'd say Revan would only win about 6/10 times. In my opinion it would be his experience that would give him an edge over Bane. Let me know if you agree!
Originally posted by BoratBoratagreed even if revan made them bane perfected them
bane, for sure, ppl say "0 R3V@n M@d3 th0$e t3chNiQu3s" when he freaking doesnt use them as much as bane does, the more u use it the better u get at it, just like sidious, knows cool techniques, and how damm often does he use them? never does and never will