Darth Bane vs. Darth Revan

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
If you are trying to favor Bane in this contest, you shouldn't be comparing force knowledge. While having Nadd's holocron does yield a great amount of information, Revan had the tombs of Korriban and the underground cities of Malachor V which were "full of holocrons". The knowledge goes in Revan's favor by a considerable amount.

Originally posted by Publius II
WTF?

Originally posted by Nebaris
"Soon, all of Revan's knowledge would be his [Bane's]".

Revan had the tombs of Korriban

As this is Darth Revan we can be sure that he didn't use the tombs- there were still secrets/holocrons to be found in them when he returned as a lightsider. That he didn't have Tulak Hord's holocron suggests that he didn't plunder the tombs at all (except for finding the Star Map) and instead left the tombraiding to the Sith Students.

(Was there ever an explanation given for why there was a Star Map in that particular tomb?)

the underground cities of Malachor V which were "full of holocrons".

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
(EDIT: Faunus hit this point already.)

Was that thought from the narrator's perspective or Bane's?

The website doesn't host an English version, and I can't read Russian.

Originally posted by Publius II
The website doesn't host an English version, and I can't read Russian.

Jesus Christ, then what the hell are you useful for?

Everything cool. Reading Star Wars in Russian =/= cool.

To Bane it seemed the teachings contained within the single Holocron surpassed those of the Academy's entire archives. Revan had discovered many of the rituals of the ancient Sith, and as the Holocron's avatar explained their nature and purpose, Bane could barely wrap his mind around their awesome potential. Some of the rituals were so terrible-so dangerous to attempt, even for a true Sith Master-that he doubted he would ever dare to use them. Yet he dutifully copied them down on sheaves of flimsi, preserving them so he could study them in greater depth later.

And there was far more than just the ancient practices of dark side sorcerers stored inside the Holocron. In only a few short weeks he'd learned more about the true nature of the dark side than he had in all his time on Korriban. Revan had been a true Sith Lord, unlike the simpering Masters who bowed to Kaan and his Brotherhood. And soon all his knowledge-his understanding of the dark side-would belong to Bane.

Looks like narration to me.

Sounds like Bane, to me. Not that I care.

Originally posted by Gideon
Sounds like Bane, to me. Not that I care.

Unless Bane is referring to himself in the third person I don't think so.

Originally posted by TheEskimo
Unless Bane is referring to himself in the third person I don't think so.

It's third person omniscient limited. Bane doesn't necessarily have to be referring to himself in the third person for the narrative to describe his thoughts.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
As this is Darth Revan we can be sure that he didn't use the tombs- there were still secrets/holocrons to be found in them when he returned as a lightsider. That he didn't have Tulak Hord's holocron suggests that he didn't plunder the tombs at all (except for finding the Star Map) and instead left the tombraiding to the Sith Students.

1. Where is your 'full of holocrons' quote coming from?
2. How do you know Revan had time to study all of these holocrons. (If they existed.)
3. Bane had Revan's Holocron. That means he has the essence/distillation of all of Revan's sources plus whatever Revan discovered on his own. (EDIT: Faunus hit this point already.) [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
3. Bane having Revan's holocron means what exactly? He has whatever knowledge Revan CHOSE to pass down. So no, he doesn't have the essence of any of Revan's sources. N

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
And soon all [Revan's] knowledge - his understanding of the dark side - would belong to Bane.

And why the hell would Revan leave anything of substance out of his holocron?

Originally posted by Publius II
Fourth time this has been posted.

And why the hell would Revan leave anything of substance out of his holocron?

Explain how Bane or the author said that all of Revan's knowledge would be his, that it actually happened? That's not good enough Faunus, and I know you'll accuse me of nitpicking here. However, there's NOTHING to suggest that Revan poured EVERYTHING he knew into that holocron. There is NO evidence for that. I would venture to say that there were more beneficial knowledge in Nadd's holocron, seeing how it took Bane 10 years to study it, than in Revan's holocron, which seemed more like sith philosophy. There has been nothing, not in the books, nowhere, indicating that bane knew everything that Revan knew, at the very least, and more than Revan at best.

Wasn't one of the Antedivulian arguments "Sith don't document all of their knowledge for their disciples"?

Originally posted by Gideon
Wasn't one of the Antedivulian arguments "Sith don't document all of their knowledge for their disciples"?

Who knows Escape but there's no proof that any of the sith or jedi holocrons have all the knowledge of its creators. If one is to assert that Revan's holocron taught bane everything Revan knew, one would have to prove that assertion. Seeing as how there's nothing backing that up, there's very little going for Bane in terms of alleged force knowledge superiority to Revan.

Well, you're more than a little biased.

For your generic Sith, it does seem implausible that a Dark Lord would document all of his knowledge. That said, Revan was supposed to be some sort of anomaly with foresight and wisdom to prepare the next generation.

Doesn't matter. It seems pretty clear that it's Bane's point of view in the narration. Of course, I'm sure Nebaris has some boring and illogical reason why PoD and RoT are written with a truly omniscient narrator and Bane wasn't thinking at all, thus validating all of the narrative within.

Originally posted by Gideon
Well, you're more than a little biased.

For your generic Sith, it does seem implausible that a Dark Lord would document all of his knowledge. That said, Revan was supposed to be some sort of anomaly with foresight and wisdom to prepare the next generation.

Doesn't matter. It seems pretty clear that it's Bane's point of view in the narration. Of course, I'm sure Nebaris has some boring and illogical reason why PoD and RoT are written with a truly omniscient narrator and Bane wasn't thinking at all, thus validating all of the narrative within. [/B]

Well this part we are in agreement with.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Me being biased doesn't detract by abilities from forming a cogent argument.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Eeehhhh......depends on the subject.

I was referring to this specific subject, as it is the only thing that matters. And jesus, my spelling and grammar are both ridiculously off.