Originally posted by great_dane
it doesnt matter if she comes back.🤨 DS can erase her from existing, she wouldn't be able to comeback.
Phoenix kick the sh** out Galactus who is well above Darkseid, PF will protect the host, Phoenix had circuit breakers to control her full power. Dark Phoenix is more ruthless and more dangerous than normal Phoenix, Dark Phoenix will eat Darkseid for lunch then she will put his a$$ on the source wall right next too Yuga Khan.
Originally posted by great_dane
it doesnt matter if she comes back.DS can erase her from existing, she wouldn't be able to comeback.
When beings like Superman and Starfire (non canon admittedly) have blocked his omega blasts? 😕
The Phoenix is life itself. It by canon is completely 100% indestructible. Its mortal form can be blown up (if the host doesnt sufficiently protect itself) however it can just remanifest immediately.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When beings like Superman and Starfire (non canon admittedly) have blocked his omega blasts? 😕The Phoenix is life itself. It by canon is completely 100% indestructible. Its mortal form can be blown up (if the host doesnt sufficiently protect itself) however it can just remanifest immediately.
The host of DP has died plenty times. What's with the render herself harmless crap. If I had a dollar for everytime I seen DP harmed then I would be rich. If the host can be harmed then it can be erased (Or turned into a table). Then that is the end of the host. Time to find a new one.
Why is everyone also forgeting about DS controlling her mind?
DS is one of most powerful telepaths in the D.C. universe.
DP has proven over multiple ocassions of being able to be controlled mentally. Even Jean herself can suppress Phoenix for a while.
Originally posted by h1a8
The host of DP has died plenty times. What's with the render herself harmless crap. If I had a dollar for everytime I seen DP harmed then I would be rich. If the host can be harmed then it can be erased (Or turned into a table). Then that is the end of the host. Time to find a new one.Why is everyone also forgeting about DS controlling her mind?
DS is one of most powerful telepaths in the D.C. universe.
DP has proven over multiple ocassions of being able to be controlled mentally. Even Jean herself can suppress Phoenix for a while.
1 Phoenix has died twice and none of the times have been through lack of power.
The first instance she depowered and then killed herself, to stop her dark side taking control and destroying reality.
Second time she allowed herself to be killed by Xorneto because she was no longer required to be present in reality. Her death was foreseen and predicted in New X-men 128 and she said she dies only to be reborn, she is the last hope and as Phoenix she will always prevail. In the issue she dided New X-men 150 she stated that she wasnt going to be around for much longer the Force had a job for her to do.
Jean the strongest telepathic force in Marvel then knelt beside Xorneto to comfort him and was subsequently attacked. Panels later she was shown being reborn in the future where she proceeded to disinfect it by cutting it away from the rest of reality.
She has never been killed through lack of power or ability. Her deaths have been completely under her control as ive highlighted.
Yes shes been wounded, but then so has Eternity and LT whats your point? Doesnt change the fact that its within her power to bolster her durability and the fact that in essence she is completely indestructible. Destroy her mortal form and she can remanifest just like that.
2 Ds never controlled her mind. Nowhere was that ever stated in that comic. That was an assumption by some people because she decided to work with him and he said she was his. 😕
If you want to acknowledge the events of that comic then please take everything into account. Like how after she had had enough of him she picked him up and dragged his helpless ass to the Source Wall before slamming him into it. 😄
3 Jean can supress the Phoenix because she IS the Phoenix. As per current continuity she IS a part of it. She is just how the Phoenix prefers to manifest. Shes the Phoenixes favoured form. Thats what sets her apart from Phoenix HOSTS.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
1 Phoenix has died twice and none of the times have been through lack of power.The first instance she depowered and then killed herself, to stop her dark side taking control and destroying reality.
Second time she allowed herself to be killed by Xorneto because she was no longer required to be present in reality. Her death was foreseen and predicted in New X-men 128 and she said she dies only to be reborn, she is the last hope and as Phoenix she will always prevail. In the issue she dided New X-men 150 she stated that she wasnt going to be around for much longer the Force had a job for her to do.
Jean the strongest telepathic force in Marvel then knelt beside Xorneto to comfort him and was subsequently attacked. Panels later she was shown being reborn in the future where she proceeded to disinfect it by cutting it away from the rest of reality.
She has never been killed through lack of power or ability. Her deaths have been completely under her control as ive highlighted.
Yes shes been wounded, but then so has Eternity and LT whats your point? Doesnt change the fact that its within her power to bolster her durability and the fact that in essence she is completely indestructible. Destroy her mortal form and she can remanifest just like that.
2 Ds never controlled her mind. Nowhere was that ever stated in that comic. That was an assumption by some people because she decided to work with him and he said she was his. 😕
If you want to acknowledge the events of that comic then please take everything into account. Like how after she had had enough of him she picked him up and dragged his helpless ass to the Source Wall before slamming him into it. 😄
3 Jean can supress the Phoenix because she IS the Phoenix. As per current continuity she IS a part of it. She is just how the Phoenix prefers to manifest. Shes the Phoenixes favoured form. Thats what sets her apart from Phoenix HOSTS.
Are you crazy. I seen at least 3 times she was killed (not from herself) and came back to life. Remember the egg hatching story.
Second, my point is that if she can be hurt she can be erased from existance or turned into a table. This is because to be hurt proves that your body can be damaged or manipulated with sufficient force or power.
Third, being erased or transmuted is different then dying. There is no coming back from this. Jean would be in oblivion. There is no way for it to retrieve Jean.
Fourth, Jean is nowhere near the strongest telepath in Marvel. I could name you at least 3 that would put her to shame.
In conclusion, the host is never and can never be indestructible (not even the PF itself). It has been hurt, killed, and mind screwed. You need proof to show that DP can bolster its durability to a point to resist the OE. Otherwise it is just unbelievable speculation.
Originally posted by h1a8
Are you crazy. I seen at least 3 times she was killed (not from herself) and came back to life. Remember the egg hatching story.
What instances would they be?The egg hatching story occassion was exactly the one i addressed in my previous posts.
The death was foreseen in New X-men 128 and Jean said she dies to be reborn and that she is hope, and that as Phoenix will always return prevailing against all.
Jean knew she was going to die nearly a year before and said there was purpose behind it. In the same issue she died she said that she wasnt allowed to be around much longer. It was all within the Phoenixes control. Jean wasnt killed through lack of power or ability but because of a higher purpose which meant her existence at that point of time within reality was unnecessary. She was then shown on panel being reborn as the Phoenix egg. In the subsequent story arc she disinfected reality as foreseen earlier on in the series.
Originally posted by h1a8
Second, my point is that if she can be hurt she can be erased from existance or turned into a table. This is because to be hurt proves that your body can be damaged or manipulated with sufficient force or power.
Not at all. Being hurt doesnt mean she can be erased. Jean isnt a human possessed by the Phoenix. As per current continuity she is the just the form the Phoenix chooses to manifest in reality as. Thats what sets her apart from Phoenix hosts and is why she the White Crown Phoenix.
The Phoenix essence as per canon is completely 100% indestructible. Disrupting its essence or destroying its physical form (if the avatar doesnt sufficiently protect itself) can cause it pain but as per canon the essence cannot be destroyed. Jean can bolster her durability making her virtually indestructible. Manage to destroy this body and she can just reform.
The Phoenix Force is the power behind Big Bang. Its power flows throughout reality, it is the life force. Phoenix cannot be removed from reality because its power makes reality possible. If Phoenix cut all ties from reality then there would be no reality. Nothing but a void
Originally posted by h1a8
Third, being erased or transmuted is different then dying. There is no coming back from this. Jean would be in oblivion. There is no way for it to retrieve Jean.
Handled above. You cant erase the Phoenix from reality. Its power is that which brings reality into being. Liken it to Marvels own Source. Could DS omega beam the Source out of Existence? Jean isnt a human possessed by the Force, she is literally a part of it, the force condensed in human form.
Originally posted by h1a8
Fourth, Jean is nowhere near the strongest telepath in Marvel. I could name you at least 3 that would put her to shame.
The Phoenix Force is sometimes described as the nexus for all psionic energy in the marvel multiverse. It is the most powerful telepathic force in Marvel. When Jean is Phoenix she is the strongest telepath bar none. When Jean is Phoenix only in name when she is not channeling the force then that is a different story. However this thread is about Phoenix so thats besides the point.
Originally posted by h1a8
In conclusion, the host is never and can never be indestructible (not even the PF itself). It has been hurt, killed, and mind screwed. You need proof to show that DP can bolster its durability to a point to resist the OE. Otherwise it is just unbelievable speculation.
Jean as Phoenix can use her energies to bolster her durability. It is an ability she has at her disposal. The fact that she doesnt always use it is irrelevant when we know she can and has done so. Magneto can quickly kill opponents by manipulating the iron in their brains. Does the fact that he doesnt always do so mean he cant do it? No. If he just ended confrontations like that all the time then comics would be boring. Thats why hes not written like that, however we know its one of his abilities and its one hes demonstrated.
The good thing about the comic forum is that we dont have a crowd of readers to please we dont have to make a match up exciting. We have a list of the characters abilities and we use them as and when we please in debate. Phoenix can bolster her durability to make herself virtually invulnerable, thats what im saying shes gonna do in this match. The fact that she doesnt always do that in the comics is irrelevant.
If Phoenixes physical form was by chance destroyed then as she wouldnt be dead it doesnt count as a loss and she could just manifest again and carry on. Little Darkseid cannot erase the Phoenix out of existence. He is OF the universe like Galactus. She is the avatar of that which sparks off the universe.
Originally posted by Juntai
Look at that scan again, it was breaking down the multiverse, Roma then SPECULATED that it COULD MAYBE begin to go omniversal. She didn't know for sure obviously, otherwise it would have been stated outright rather than Probably/maybe/could be/ almost.
I have to disagree.
Roma said "Prehaps to the Ascention itself"
That would be beyond the Omni-verse.
The Omni-verse was TOAST, had it entered through the rift on 616.
This is right before the Breach was finally sealed.
"Do it ROMA, For ALL OUR SAKES, Do it Now"
Saturnyne is talking about erasing the 616 Universe
Had the Chaos Wave entered through the RIFT, the OMNI-VERSE would have been OBLITERATED into CHAOS
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix was however beyond Galactus level as stated.
Phoenix defeated a STARVING Galactus.
I have NEED of SUSTENANCE
Phoenix even knows she's fighting a HUNGRY (WEAK) Galactus
"You have NOT the Strength to Continue this conflict"
The REAL Galactus would have been a different story
Even Phoenix considers Galactus her equal
but Galactus said, that WITH TIME "he would eventually DESTROY PHOENIX"
