Originally posted by Mesirus
After talking with my friend he says that sephiroth is harder than kefka. lvl 99 is the level most people fight him and its his power limit, using the argument that because you were a lower level means you didn't fight all of sephiroths wrath.
Well, now your friend is simply lying. Most people do NOT get to lvl 99 before completing the game. He just pulled that out of his ass.
And no, I've played the game numerous times since that first time, getting to level 99 at least once (to the people acting like it's some kind of challenge or a skillful act to get to lvl 99, it's not, it just takes time, a retarded monkey can do it) and have beaten Sephiroth at level 99, he's not much harder. Again, If you have Knights of the Round leveled up and Omnislash and have any semblence of strategy in your fight (I.E. not just trying to do as much damage as quickly as you can) then you'll beat him with ease.
Originally posted by BackFire
Well, now your friend is simply lying. Most people do NOT get to lvl 99 before completing the game. He just pulled that out of his ass.And no, I've played the game numerous times since that first time, getting to level 99 at least once (to the people acting like it's some kind of challenge or a skillful act to get to lvl 99, it's not, it just takes time, a retarded monkey can do it) and have beaten Sephiroth at level 99, he's not much harder. Again, If you have Knights of the Round leveled up and Omnislash and have any semblence of strategy in your fight (I.E. not just trying to do as much damage as quickly as you can) then you'll beat him with ease.
Sorry i meant to say most people i know got to lvl before completnig the game, to beat the weapons for the master materia
no, but ff7 bosses all scale, so it just makes the game more of a challenge
i know full well the strategies of how to beat sephiroth, and he's not a pushover, no way
Compared to Kefka? I barely beat FF6. And you have to fight bosses galore in the tower. And 3 guys just to get to Kefka. None of whom are pushovers like Bizarro Jenova. There's no deus ex machina like Knights of the round. FF6 characters are potentially more powerful and Kefka is still tougher. I really can't see how Sephiroth wins.
you can't prove it one way or another, okies this will be my last arguementative post:
I'm backing sephiroth because if i've learn't anything from games its that they get more extreme, so it makes some sense to say that sephiroth is more powerful that kefka, PLEASE don't get me wrong, from what i've seen and know kefka does seem like an awesome villian. But i just think Sephiroth would be pushing the boundries of realities of FF in terms of his power. It is almost certain that at FF7 they started to tune it down because it would only ever be the same story different characters.
and when you said abosrbing the powers of 3 gods or goddesses is more powerful than someone who transcends god-hood.....look up the words transcends, it means to pass beyond the limits of, like in a new ballpark.
as i say thats all i have to say on the matter and i really think this is a good fight, so no hard feelings on opinions yeah?
thats all i'm giving here, my two cents i no longer think its possible to get you to change your mind 😉
Who said they hated Sephiroth?
Besides - while the bosses scale, they don't scale accurately enough. If you ARE level 99 while facing Sephiroth, the change is mostly due to HP. He's pathetically easy to beat, it just takes (quite) a bit longer.
Meh. Kefka still takes this.
Terra, Sabin, and Gogo would make Sephiroth look a fool.
anyway, my friend who you says knowledge is bullshit has pointed this out
http://www.nintendoland.com/home2.htm?deathmatches/fight_kefka_vs_sephiroth.htm
http://www.misterpoll.com/results.mpl?id=3260196373
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=5435784&publicUserId=5645138
most everytime this has been done sephiroth wins, apparently SS has even said that sephiroth is the strongest baddie they've produced but i can't find that pages so i'm not trusting that infomation. Persoannly my Fave SS baddie is Magus.... he's the definition of awesome 🙂
Yes, Magus is great.
I'm a bit stumped as to why some random page on 1up matters. It's just some random person's opinion. Same with Misterpoll, it's just a poll, so who cares?
If you want to just go by what's popular and nothing more, than be my guest, it holds little in the way of reasoning and evidence, though. Just because sephiroth is more popular doesn't mean he's actually a better villain.
Again, the reasoning I use when I say that Kefka is the better villain is:
1. He achieved his goal, he conquered the world and ruled over it for a period of time.
2. He's difficult to defeat no matter your level.
3. His evil is much more grotesque and monstrous. He's the epitome of evil. Sephiroth just kinda lost his way and went insane with what he discovered, Kefka is just a terrible person who craves power and carnage. He is evil incarnate.
4. He's clever and cowardly. While Sephiroth may be a bit stronger physically, Kefka's wit and cunning outweigh Seph's, I think. He tricks people into trusting him, than uses that trust to destroy them and gain more power.
5. His laugh is the thing of legend.
6. He's developed, as far as the story goes, in a much better fashion than Sephiroth. The tension between him and the heroes of the game is so thick by the end, it literally feels like a culminating, end all battle between the forces of good and evil. It is chilling when the final battle comes, which has been in the making for literally the entire game.
Originally posted by BackFire
Yes, Magus is great.I'm a bit stumped as to why some random page on 1up matters. It's just some random person's opinion. Same with Misterpoll, it's just a poll, so who cares?
If you want to just go by what's popular and nothing more, than be my guest, it holds little in the way of reasoning and evidence, though. Just because sephiroth is more popular doesn't mean he's actually a better villain.
Alright so i lied about not posting here again, so sue me
yeah me too, but he said post it anyway.
No but if more people say sephiroth then its more likely that sephiroth would win. More points of view
Originally posted by BackFireOk, new argument about this, Sephirorth as soon as he realised what he was, he never sought world dominate, he sought world destruction, so its not a great arguement to say Kefka got something sephiroth wasn't after
1. He achieved his goal, he conquered the world and ruled over it for a period of time.
Originally posted by BackFireFF7 was more devoloped so it was an attempt at even gaming
2. He's difficult to defeat no matter your level.
Originally posted by BackFireAhh got you here too, someone in another forum on the same topic said the true evil does not crave control, only destruction. Which the more i think about it is true, only a madman seeks world control, world destruction and the death of every living this is pure evil. Evil element even
3. His evil is much more grotesque and monstrous. He's the epitome of evil. Sephiroth just kinda lost his way and went insane with what he discovered, Kefka is just a terrible person who craves power and carnage. He is evil incarnate.
Originally posted by BackFireNo way, Sephiroth uses cloud past to get him to find the promised land, get the black materia and to locate Aerith. Sephiroth is a genius.
4. He's clever and cowardly. While Sephiroth may be a bit stronger physically, Kefka's wit and cunning outweigh Seph's, I think. He tricks people into trusting him, than uses that trust to destroy them and gain more power.
Originally posted by BackFireGranted but whats the relevence?
5. His laugh is the thing of legend.
Originally posted by BackFireThat is not disimilar to FF7 Cloud, Tifa, Vincent, Aerith all suffered indescribably (and died) because of sephiroth, throughtout the game your hungry for that fight where you can put an end seph, and you are alwasy this close and yet still so far.
6. He's developed, as far as the story goes, in a much better fashion than Sephiroth. The tension between him and the heroes of the game is so thick by the end, it literally feels like a culminating, end all battle between the forces of good and evil. It is chilling when the final battle comes, which has been in the making for literally the entire game.
Ok, let me point something out that i'l certain you'l retailate to, but sephiroth has a far largr selection of moves, most of his best attacks are improvements from Kefka's. Although theres Super nova and heartless angel that could wipe Kefka out, i'm more concerned with Pale Horse, causes all status effects in the book, confusion, paralize, poisen, silence......Dark flare too, unavoidable and lethal..in terms of ablities sephiroth has far more at hand to Kefka
Oh if you deciede to bring god-hood into it don't if he got killed in the game he can get killed here, Safer Sephiroth's power transcends godhood
Originally posted by Kaled
Alright so i lied about not posting here again, so sue meyeah me too, but he said post it anyway.
No but if more people say sephiroth then its more likely that sephiroth would win. More points of view
Why is it more likely simply if more people say so? That's nonsense. The simple fact that FFVII was played by more people and know who sephiroth is is the reason more people vote Sephiroth.
Ok, new argument about this, Sephirorth as soon as he realised what he was, he never sought world dominate, he sought world destruction, so its not a great arguement to say Kefka got something sephiroth wasn't after
Despite them both being after different things, one actually achieved his goal, the other did not. Simple as that.
FF7 was more devoloped so it was an attempt at even gaming
What does this even mean?
Ahh got you here too, someone in another forum on the same topic said the true evil does not crave control, only destruction. Which the more i think about it is true, only a madman seeks world control, world destruction and the death of every living this is pure evil. Evil element even
Well I certainly don't agree with that. Regardless, Kefka craved control AND destruction. He got joy out of killing and hurting people, and he wanted ultimate control. Once he got control he nearly destroyed the world, making it a wasteland.
That is not disimilar to FF7 Cloud, Tifa, Vincent, Aerith all suffered indescribably (and died) because of sephiroth, throughtout the game your hungry for that fight where you can put an end seph, and you are alwasy this close and yet still so far.
Sure, you're looking forward to the battle, but the tension isn't the same. Sephiroth was someone to kinda pity, at times. He didn't start off as evil, he found something terrible out and lost his way, and his mind. Because of this he isn't on the same level as Kefka, who was purely diabolical and cruel from the very start. We assume he always was like that. It's very easy to hate him, he feels genuinely evil, Sephiroth felt like he was just lost and became evil, but that there may be some sense of hope left in him. With Kefka, no such feeling existed.
Originally posted by BackFireyeah, but more people who say sephiroth who have played them both
Why is it more likely simply if more people say so? That's nonsense. The simple fact that FFVII was played by more people and know who sephiroth is is the reason more people vote Sephiroth.
Originally posted by BackFireKefka didn't manage to do anythink to the world when he was a god, he just killed things on it. Sephiroth was this close to annihilating it, the planet, not just the stuff on it
Despite them both being after different things, one actually achieved his goal, the other did not. Simple as that.
Originally posted by BackFireit means they tried to make sepiroth of appropriate difficulty. But the point stilll stands, if he has all his powers you should use the strongest point, otherwise its just plain dodging
What does this even mean?
Originally posted by BackFirewell you could argue cloud was a better hero, who took the initiative to stop sephiroth before he did anything
Well I certainly don't agree with that. Regardless, Kefka craved control AND destruction. He got joy out of killing and hurting people, and he wanted ultimate control. Once he got control he nearly destroyed the world, making it a wasteland.
Originally posted by BackFirehope? sephiroth?? er, no no no. There was never any changing sephiroth, he saw what power was, and nothing was going to stop him.
Sure, you're looking forward to the battle, but the tension isn't the same. Sephiroth was someone to kinda pity, at times. He didn't start off as evil, he found something terrible out and lost his way, and his mind. Because of this he isn't on the same level as Kefka, who was purely diabolical and cruel from the very start. We assume he always was like that. It's very easy to hate him, he feels genuinely evil, Sephiroth felt like he was just lost and became evil, but that there may be some sense of hope left in him. With Kefka, no such feeling existed.
Originally posted by Kaled
Ok, let me point something out that i'l certain you'l retailate to, but sephiroth has a far largr selection of moves, most of his best attacks are improvements from Kefka's. Although theres Super nova and heartless angel that could wipe Kefka out, i'm more concerned with Pale Horse, causes all status effects in the book, confusion, paralize, poisen, silence......Dark flare too, unavoidable and lethal..in terms of ablities sephiroth has far more at hand to KefkaOh if you deciede to bring god-hood into it don't if he got killed in the game he can get killed here, Safer Sephiroth's power [b]transcends
godhood [/B]
If I recall, Kefka was a god. And spent hours at his leisure destroying places with the Light of Judgment. Sephiroth needed a week straight for his "most powerful" attack to even arrive and achieve his goal. And Sephiroth's most powerful attack? Anyone could do it. Meteor was stated that NO ONE could do it unless they were at a place like Northern Crater. So, give Cloud or someone the Black Materia and the knowledge how to use it and they can bring down Meteor. It's a pretty said and unimpressive feat.
Kuja=Kefka>>>>>>>>>>>Sephiroth.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
If I recall, Kefka was a god. And spent hours at his leisure destroying places with the Light of Judgment. Sephiroth needed a week straight for his "most powerful" attack to even arrive and achieve his goal. And Sephiroth's most powerful attack? Anyone could do it. Meteor was stated that NO ONE could do it unless they were at a place like Northern Crater. So, give Cloud or someone the Black Materia and the knowledge how to use it and they can bring down Meteor. It's a pretty said and unimpressive feat.Kuja=Kefka>>>>>>>>>>>Sephiroth.
i get tired of defeating thee weak arguements you know sleep1
anyone could do it who has a very strong understanding of power......riiiight 😐
if you hate sephiroth thats fine, but don't go raining on everyone elses parade mmkay?