Kas'im versus Mace Windu

Anything goes, Kas'im is using a double bladed saber but can switch to single whenever he wishes.

Niether can use any insta-kill force

This is Rots Windu, btw.

Kas'Im wins. He has mastered the wielding of the single saber, dual sabers and the saber staff, and has mastered all 7 forms. His reflexes were noted as being exceptional as well, and he was in prime physical condition.

But Mace Windu has shatterpoint, which could prove to be the difference..

And Vaapad which Kas'Im has never heard of or seen. Mace is also in damn good physical condition.

The only edge over Kas'Im I would give Mace would be his Shatterpoint ability (which imo is way overrated), his Vaapad which Kas'Im is unfamiliar with, and possibly physical strength (enhanced via the force).

I still think Kas'Im is just too damn good, the perfect warrior.

no, mace windu is far better than he is, firstly he doesnt know what vaapad is, secondly there is shatterpoint, kasim goes down after a long fight.

and no kasim doesnt know trakata i believe

Mace Windu. Kas'Im is good, but not good as Windu.

Again it's a tough fight. Mace DOES have Vappad and shatterpoint, but Kas'im DID master ALL 7 forms of lightsaber combat, like Yoda. I would give it to him based on that and the quotes of him being the best in the Sith order and possibly ever.

So what? Cin Drallig mastered all forms, and he got his ass handed to by Skywalker. I am not saying Kas'Im is equal to Drallig, I know he's better but even though he was said to be the best, so is Windu. I mean, besides Yoda, he's the best in PT Jedi Order. And him and Yoda are bothr really close as well.

With Vapaad, and Shatterpoint, both with Kas'Im doesn't expect, he'll lose.

It'll be a bit close, but Kas'Im loses. I rank the Twi'lek as maybe being on par with Obi-Wan Kenobi as in terms of dueling.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
So what? Cin Drallig mastered all forms, and he got his ass handed to by Skywalker. I am not saying Kas'Im is equal to Drallig, I know he's better but even though he was said to be the best, so is Windu. I mean, besides Yoda, he's the best in PT Jedi Order. And him and Yoda are bothr really close as well.

With Vapaad, and Shatterpoint, both with Kas'Im doesn't expect, he'll lose.

It'll be a bit close, but Kas'Im loses. I rank the Twi'lek as maybe being on par with Obi-Wan Kenobi as in terms of dueling.

So Kas'im who mastered every form, is on par with Obiwan? You're going to have to provide a convincing argument for that situation. You're basically saying that Obi wan>New Sith Order in terms of dueling, and that's very innacurate.. I would put Kas'im on par with Yoda.

Obi Wan Kenobi:

- The GREATEST Practicioner of Soresu ever. Said to have the greatest defense among a Jedi

Kas'Im:

- The Battlemaster of the New Sith Order and said to be the greatest lightsaber user in the Order.

Whether Kas'Im is powerful or not, do you believe he can break through the barriers of Kenobi?

And Kas'Im is DEFINATELY NOT on par with Yoda. Yoda is several times faster and the greatest user of Ataru (along with Sidous I guess). There is no way Kas'Im can defeat him.

Kas'Im is getting overrated these days. Yes, I know he is powerful. But people keep saying "Oh Kas'im is the BEST. He can take out Mace Windu (who's a lightsaber prodigy and a master of Vapaad) and is on par with Yoda, etc etc. " It's ridiculous.

I mean, fine I can accept he can beat Kenobi if there is solid proof, but there's no way he's better than Anakin, Dooku, Mace, Yoda, and Sidious.

Hmm. Kas'Im would prove to be a deadly opponent in lightsaber combat, however, Mace is a master of Vaapad, a form that Kas'Im is completely clueless about - and which works well against Dark Side users - by channeling their darkness into Mace's advantage.

Then, factor in Mace's Shatterpoint ability and his superior Force powers, and I'd guess that Kas'Im bites the big one. Not without a bit of a fight, of course.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
Obi Wan Kenobi:

- The GREATEST Practicioner of Soresu ever. Said to have the greatest defense among a Jedi

Kas'Im:

- The Battlemaster of the New Sith Order and said to be the greatest lightsaber user in the Order.

Whether Kas'Im is powerful or not, do you believe he can break through the barriers of Kenobi?

And Kas'Im is DEFINATELY NOT on par with Yoda. Yoda is several times faster and the greatest user of Ataru (along with Sidous I guess). There is no way Kas'Im can defeat him.

Kas'Im is getting overrated these days. Yes, I know he is powerful. But people keep saying "Oh Kas'im is the BEST. He can take out Mace Windu (who's a lightsaber prodigy and a master of Vapaad) and is on par with Yoda, etc etc. " It's ridiculous.

I mean, fine I can accept he can beat Kenobi if there is solid proof, but there's no way he's better than Anakin, Dooku, Mace, Yoda, and Sidious. [/B]

Kas'im wins. He outdueled Bane, right? And he knows all the forums of saber combat (did he master all of them?).

Originally posted by kamikz
And Vaapad which Kas'Im has never heard of or seen. Mace is also in damn good physical condition.

Vaapad was created by Mace.

It is possible that Vaapad might have been known their sith order.

Originally posted by Escape81
Vaapad was created by Mace.

So it would seem but Sirak appparently learned it before it was even invented.

Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
So it would seem but Sirak appparently learned it before it was even invented.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Kas'Im
It is possible that Vaapad might have been known their sith order.

Kas'Im, I don't know you that well, but I've got a really good reading off of you, after seeing you debate and then debating with you, myself.

a. You are a very good debator.
b. But you pull stuff out of your ass and try to pass it off as if it has some bearing on the argument.

In this case, it doesn't.

Mace invented Vapaad. Kas'Im didn't know it. Revan didn't know it. Bane didn't know it.

Accept it and move on. Kas'Im has no clue about it, and therefore, unless he's Grievous - wouldn't be able to mimic it or analyze it.