Originally posted by GalacticStormYou're right that Thanos never erased them. But he did become Eternity. Pretty impressive on it's own.
Far above that. Thanos never erased them. He imprisoned them.The abstracts are embodiments of universal concepts. They and all of their power come from the universe. They are not greater than the universe.
With that in mind, Thanos waging a war in a universe, in an attempt to wrest control of said universe, pales in comparison to the Phoenix having total telekinetic control of that universe right down to the atomic level whilst holding it in the palm of her hand. 😬
Not on that level? Get out of here.
I didn't agree with Mr Master about a lot of things, but I did agree that the scene in Here Comes Tomorrow has been subjected to vastly exaggerated interpretations. As for the statement by one of the Phoenixes to Jean, "Telekinetic control of all those atoms isn't easy. Not even for a Phoenix of the White Crown," I've heard you assert that he's referring to the complete universe's atoms.
Which to me doesn't make sense. I think it's very apparent that he was referring to her disinfection and removal of Sublime from the timestream. I think it's obvious because all that talk is immediately preceded by Jean telekinetically pulling Sublime out of Hank McCoy, holding him in her hands as that green glowly mass and then handing him/it over to the White Hot Room to complete the disinfection procedure.
The only time you actually see the universe, is a representation of it in her hands AFTER the disinfection. And yes, I think it's quite obviously a representation only, because you see an image of the Phoenix flare up out of it when Jean compels Scott to live on. If it was the actual universe, then the Phoenix would have wreaked havoc in it flaring around in it like that. 😂 Either way, you don't need to telekinetically control every atom of the universe to change the course of events when a simple mind-nudge does the same thing. But you do need expert telekinetic control to pull Sublime, an intelligent bacterial colony hiding inside of DNA, out of Beast and into the White Hot Room.
Anyway, my two cents.
Originally posted by Mindset
So then you must think Phoenix created LT as well?
Originally posted by Mindset
So then you must think Phoenix created LT as well?
Yeah. That's exactly what I think. Because everyone knows Eternity's power = LT's power. 🙄
Phoenix of The White Crown holds teh Universe in its hands while Uatu hold one in his Bling stoned
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're right that Thanos never erased them. But he did become Eternity. Pretty impressive on it's own.I didn't agree with Mr Master about a lot of things, but I did agree that the scene in Here Comes Tomorrow has been subjected to vastly exaggerated interpretations. As for the statement by one of the Phoenixes to Jean, "Telekinetic control of all those atoms isn't easy. Not even for a Phoenix of the White Crown," I've heard you assert that he's referring to the complete universe.
Which to me doesn't make sense. I think it's very apparent that he was referring to her disinfection and removal of Sublime from the timestream. I think it's obvious because all that talk is immediately preceded by Jean telekinetically pulling Sublime out of Hank McCoy, holding him and then handing her over to the White Hot Room to complete the disinfection procedure.
The only time you actually see the universe, is a representation of it in her hands. And yes, I think it's quite obviously a representation only, because you see an image of the Phoenix flare up out of it when Jean compels Scott to live on. If it was the actual universe, then the Phoenix would have wreaked havoc in it flaring around in it like that. 😂 Either way, you don't need to telekinetically control every atom of the universe to change the course of events when a simple mind-nudge does the same thing. But you do need telekinetic control to pull Sublime out of Beast and into the White Hot Room.
Anyway, my two cents.
what she was holding was called an orphaned universe so unless Sublime is a universe unto itself, she was holding the universe, while holding said universe she reached back in it's past to fix it instead of destroying it (Quentin Quire would have let it die) but Jean wanted to save her friends. Her updated bio says she telekinetically controlled the universe, because apparently seeing her do it wasn't enough for some people.
Originally posted by LordKaosAt first, she's holding Sublime. The green mass is obviously Sublime. Why is that green mass, Sublime? Because she pulled it straight out of Beast and addresses it as Sublime. AFTER she handed Sublime over to the White Hot Room to complete the disinfection, a representation of the universe forms in her hands.
what she was holding was called an orphaned universe so unless Sublime is a universe unto itself, she was holding the universe, while holding said universe she reached back in it's past to fix it instead of destroying it (Quentin Quire would have let it die) but Jean wanted to save her friends. Her updated bio says she telekinetically controlled the universe, because apparently seeing her do it wasn't enough for some people.
Originally posted by fangirl101
I'm Not Sure about this one. Phoenix is below Eternity Right? I'd say Thanos has this one. But This Phoenix can cut off pieces of time? What happens if Thanos attacks her soul? Or changes reality so that there was never a pheonix? How would she be able to counter those kinds of attacks?
Phoenix is not below Eternity, which is why he intervened during Xmen forever, had the Stranger been successful the Phoenix would have done away with all the abstracts. If he changed reality to make no Phoenix then there would be no big bang and no gems. Attack her soul? the last time somebody played with her soul (Jean) Dark Phoenix came into play.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
At first, she's holding Sublime. The green mass is obviously Sublime. Why is that green mass, Sublime? Because she pulled it straight out of Beast and addresses it as Sublime. AFTER she handed Sublime over to the White Hot Room to complete the disinfection, a representation of the universe forms in her hands.
it was not called a representation it was called an orphaned universe, she wanted to know what it was and the Phoenix consciousness told her it was a universe.
Originally posted by Priest
Phoenix of The White Crown holds teh Universe in its hands while Uatu hold one in his Bling stoned
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Originally posted by Mindset
So then you must think Phoenix created LT as well?
Its stated in many a source that the Phoenix Forces energies are the Big Bang and that it also perpetuates the creation cycle.
It is literally the Big Bang turned sentient.
Its manifestation within reality(the Firebird avatar) keeps the creation cycle revolving:
So no im not saying Phoenix created LT. Dont try and put words in our mouths. Im saying that its canon that the Phoenix Force is the Big Bang.
