Extracting Sublime = coordinated disinfection = surgery = amputating the future = Phoenix disinfection successful. Is this true or not?
I'll tell you why it is true, because Jean and the Phoenix Force's conversation both complements and reinforces that notion. When Jean travels with Sublime in her hands, commenting on what Sublime is, Jean says, "... I had to amputate the future." And the Phoenix Force answers in response, "Phoenix disinfection successful." All those terms are interchangeable as obviously demonstrated by the dialogue between Jean and the PF.
This interchangeability of terms supports the direct cause -> effect rationale, wherein extracting Sublime -> amputating the future. It is not only suggested and cemented by the conversation Jean has with the Phoenix Force but wholly reiterated in a handbook entry solely dedicated to Here Comes Tomorrow:
This erroneous idea you're suggesting doesn't make sense on three levels: 1) as KK points out, you don't apply telekinesis on a future (that simply doesn't make sense and, as you like to put it, there is no such precedent in Marvel for it); 2) it is plainly obvious that such a feat is never even depicted in a single panel; and 3) there is a more logical alternative explanation, wherein the telekinetic feat in question, refers to extracting Sublime. There are three ways you can rehabilitate your assertions:
1) Explain how you apply telekinesis to a future. Or provide an example.
2) Point out the panel where she uses her tk on the future. Do it.
3) Tell us why the simpler explanation makes less sense than your own.
You can't do any of those. At this point, you're already resorting to all sorts of tertiary evidence. Instead of using the Here Comes Tomorrow comic itself, or a handbook dedicated to Here Comes Tomorrow, you have to cobble together some piecemeal argumentation with scans from other comics that don't even deal with the HCT storyline. And why do you resort to it? Because your interpretation simply isn't supported on-panel or off-panel. Only within your creative imagination.
Originally posted by Takionenjoy 🙂:
Anyways what happened to Mr. Masters?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Extracting Sublime = [b]coordinated disinfection = surgery = amputating the future = Phoenix disinfection successful. Is this true or not?I'll tell you why it is true, because Jean and the Phoenix Force's conversation both complements and reinforces that notion. When Jean travels with Sublime in her hands, commenting on what Sublime is, Jean says, "... I had to amputate the future." And the Phoenix Force answers in response, "Phoenix disinfection successful." All those terms are interchangeable as obviously demonstrated by the dialogue between Jean and the PF.
This interchangeability of terms supports the direct cause -> effect rationale, wherein extracting Sublime -> amputating the future. It is not only suggested and cemented by the conversation Jean has with the Phoenix Force but wholly reiterated in a handbook entry solely dedicated to Here Comes Tomorrow:
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Ah ok, so was the future amputated? Or did she simply pluck out Sublime from the HCT era?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0This erroneous idea you're suggesting doesn't make sense on three levels: 1) as KK points out, you don't apply telekinesis on a future (that simply doesn't make sense and, as you like to put it, there is no such precedent in Marvel for it); 2) it is plainly obvious that such a feat is never even depicted in a single panel; and 3) there is a more logical alternative explanation, wherein the telekinetic feat in question, refers to extracting Sublime. There are three ways you can rehabilitate your assertions:
2) So the words “I amputated an entire future”, are dialogues that members simply came up with. Further dialoged, explains this is the Future (reference to what she is holding).
3) as of page 20 from issue 154, panel 2. I would say no. When Jean questions, what she holding right their and then. The Force answers it’s the future, or else the answer simply would have bin Sublime.
Originally posted by OneDumbG01) Explain how you apply telekinesis to a future. Or provide an example.
2) Point out the panel where she uses her tk on the future. Do it.
3) Tell us why the simpler explanation makes less sense than your own.You can't do any of those. At this point, you're already resorting to all sorts of tertiary evidence. Instead of using the Here Comes Tomorrow comic itself, or a handbook dedicated to Here Comes Tomorrow, you have to cobble together some piecemeal argumentation with scans from other comics that don't even deal with the HCT storyline. And why do you resort to it? Because your interpretation simply isn't supported on-panel or off-panel. Only within your creative imagination. [/B]
1) Explain how you apply telekinesis to a future. Or provide an example.
When we use the word “Time”, it is nothing more than term to place reference on a co-ordinate within a demission composed of energy and matter. Telekinesis is vary known to effect matter and energy. In HCT time is not being vary specific, but was used in a more general sense. From this point on, the future is cut off. From this point on, energy and matter from that vary dimension was amputated.
2) Point out the panel where she uses her tk on the future. Do it.
At this point the future is being held by Jean.
3) Tell us why the simpler explanation makes less sense than your own.
What would that explanation be again?
I am being told the future was amputated the moment Sublime was extracted from Hank and shifted into Phoenix Dimension. But its silly to think time itself can be amputated through TK. So I am vary confused at your explanation.
Originally posted by id369That doesn't make sense whatsoever. Time is not simply a coordinate where energy and matter exist. Have you forgotten how important space is to the very idea of time? Jebus. And as Galacticstorm likes to point out, there is simply no precedent in comics for telekinesis to be used on a future.
When we use the word “Time”, it is nothing more than term to place reference on a co-ordinate within a demission composed of energy and matter. Telekinesis is vary known to effect matter and energy. In HCT time is not being vary specific, but was used in a more general sense. From this point on, the future is cut off. From this point on, energy and matter from that vary dimension was amputated.
Originally posted by id369That's Sublime. It's the same green globular mass she holds in her hands when she extracts him from Beast:
At this point the future is being held by Jean.
But perhaps you're smart enough to figure out where I'm leading you with this. So if that's the "future" in your mind... but it is still clearly Sublime, from the plain and stupidly obvious presentation of the art... then does extracted Sublime = "future?" Hmph... does that sound familiar? Oh... maybe that's what we've been saying this entire damn time. "Amputating the future" = "extracting Sublime." The phrase "amputating the future" is purple prose, not meant to taken literally. Since you've managed to make it this far into equating "future" with "extracted Sublime" independently... there's hope for you yet.
Originally posted by id369Jean's only feat of telekinesis was her extraction of Sublime. When the Phoenix Force talks to her about telekinetically controlling all those atoms, the PF is referring to removing Sublime. Extracting Sublime = "coordinated disinfection" = "surgery complete" = "amputating the future" = "Phoenix disinfection successful." That's what Jean and the Phoenix Force tell us in their conversation. That's what you're beginning to understand now if you can just lay down your outlandish preconceived notions. You still might be confused with this, but it's really pretty simple and supported on-panel. It's also reiterated in the handbook. And using telekinesis on a future makes no sense at all. None. Keep trying. You're starting to get it.
What would that explanation be again?I am being told the future was amputated the moment Sublime was extracted from Hank and shifted into Phoenix Dimension. But its silly to think time itself can be amputated through TK. So I am vary confused at your explanation.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That doesn't make sense whatsoever. Time is not simply a coordinate where energy and matter exist. Have you forgotten how important space is to the very idea of time? Jebus. And as Galacticstorm likes to point out, there is simply no precedent in comics for telekinesis to be used on a future.
That's Sublime. It's the same green globular mass she holds in her hands when she extracts him from Beast:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
But perhaps you're smart enough to figure out where I'm leading you with this. So if that's the "future" in your mind... but it is still clearly Sublime, from the plain and stupidly obvious presentation of the art... then does extracted Sublime = "future?" Hmph... does that sound familiar? Oh... maybe that's what we've been saying this entire damn time. "Amputating the future" = "extracting Sublime." The phrase "amputating the future" is purple prose, not meant to taken literally. Since you've managed to make it this far into equating "future" with "extracted Sublime" independently... there's hope for you yet.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Jean's only feat of telekinesis was her extraction of Sublime. When the Phoenix Force talks to her about telekinetically controlling all those atoms, the PF is referring to removing Sublime. Extracting Sublime = "coordinated disinfection" = "surgery complete" = "amputating the future" = "Phoenix disinfection successful." That's what Jean and the Phoenix Force tell us in their conversation. That's what you're beginning to understand now if you can just lay down your outlandish preconceived notions. You still might be confused with this, but it's really pretty simple and supported on-panel. It's also reiterated in the handbook. And using telekinesis on a future makes no sense at all. None. Keep trying. You're starting to get it.
Oh wait, that’s right we are going to use the green cosmetics to link it Sublime and not the universe. Is she holding a blob of shit green goo?….no it’s a blob of shit blue goo. No wait, it’s not blue goo (silly rabbit), it’s a purple purse. She is holding a purple purse, don’t take either comments seriously.
Thank you for your time.
Originally posted by id369Jean asks what it is. The Phoenix Force never answers her. Look at the scan again. Either way, you can dodge it all you want, but it's plainly obvious that extracting Sublime = "coordinated disinfection" = "surgery complete" = "amputating the future" = "Phoenix disinfection successful." The only way that doesn't make sense, is if you read "amputating the future" as literally as you possibly can. And if you weren't so desperate for some single shred of evidence, one small piece of validation for your outlandish claims, you'd recognize that. As KK has pointed out, "Stop taking their words in a purely literal sense. It's purple prose."
Well I beg to differ, by the statements made by the comic. Jeans asks what it is, the Force answers it. it’s the future she previously stated to have amputated. Oh wait Sublime is the future….no…sublime is simply sublime a colony of bacteria gone rouge.
You want me to spell it out for you? Sublime = "future" in a figurative metaphysical sense. Not in a literal sense. This is literature. Not Sesame Street. A word can have more meaning than it's strict definition. Metaphor? Allusion? Symbolism? These concepts ring a bell at all?
Originally posted by id369Visual cosmetics? What are you talking about? She extracts Sublime here in the first scan. She holds him/it in her hands in that scan. It's green and glowing. In a following page, she's still holding him in her hands. She even talks about him/it while it's in her hands. Where the hell did she drop him off? Is this another one of your silly make-believe off-panel feats that we never see? Gimme a break, don't insult everybody's intelligence and expect any of us to believe that Sublime somehow off-panel magically turns into a future-that-was-telekinetically-torn-away ALSO off-panel:
Ah so it’s the stupidly obvious visual cosmetics (as you claim), versus the crystal clear cut reference. Why would the future need disinfection, when sublimed is already out of the time stream? I mean she is already shifted herself out of 15104 era, holding sublime essence in her hand.
Jebus. Seriously. There's a green glowing mass in her hands. It's Sublime in one page, it's Sublime in the following page. She even talks about Sublime in that following page. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
Originally posted by id369Ahh... the ever reliable "strawman fallacy." Whereupon you describe a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view but is easier to undermine, whilst ignoring the actual argument because you can't refute it legitimately. Stick a fork in it guys. Looks like it's done. When you forced yourself to assume that Sublime gets dropped off/turned into a literal future off-panel in addition to Jean using telekinesis on said future... off-panel, you really just exposed how self-serving your excuses were. How many obvious on-panel scenes and conversations are we supposed to ignore? How many ridiculous off-panel scenes are we forced to swallow for your interpretation to even start making sense?
Right….the force is strictly talking about Sublime. And throwing the “its on paper panel support” is suppose to help sway anyone’s mind. After all, on paper panel support states what Jean is holding, just right after the force states “telekinetic control of all those atoms is not easy even for WPotC”.Oh wait, that’s right we are going to use the green cosmetics to link it Sublime and not the universe. Is she holding a blob of shit green goo?….no it’s a blob of shit blue goo. No wait, it’s not blue goo (silly rabbit), it’s a purple purse. She is holding a purple purse, don’t take either comments seriously.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you for wasting our time with this nonsense.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Jean asks what it is. The Phoenix Force never answers her. Look at the scan again. Either way, you can dodge it all you want, but it's plainly obvious that extracting Sublime = "coordinated disinfection" = "surgery complete" = "amputating the future" = "Phoenix disinfection successful." The only way that doesn't make sense, is if you read "amputating the future" as literally as you possibly can. And if you weren't so desperate for some single shred of evidence, one small piece of validation for your outlandish claims, you'd recognize that. As KK has pointed out, "Stop taking their words in a purely literal sense. It's purple prose."You want me to spell it out for you? Sublime = "future" in a figurative metaphysical sense. Not in a literal sense. This is literature. Not Sesame Street. A word can have more meaning than it's strict definition. Metaphor? Allusion? Symbolism? These concepts ring a bell at all?
Oh wait I cant, sublime was taken care of by page 20, panel 1. The future was left devastated, thanks to sublime efforts to halt genetic progression. By page 20, panel 2 what she is holding is literally the future, by page 20, panel 2. Sublime is no longer its concern.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Visual cosmetics? What are you talking about? She extracts Sublime here in the first scan. She holds him/it in her hands in that scan. It's green and glowing. In a following page, she's still holding him in her hands. She even talks about him/it while it's in her hands. Where the hell did she drop him off? Is this another one of your silly make-believe off-panel feats that we never see? Gimme a break, don't insult everybody's intelligence and expect any of us to believe that Sublime somehow off-panel magically turns into a future-that-was-telekinetically-torn-away ALSO off-panel:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ahh... the ever reliable "strawman fallacy." Whereupon you describe a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view but is easier to undermine, whilst ignoring the actual argument because you can't refute it legitimately. Stick a fork in it guys. Looks like it's done. When you forced yourself to assume that Sublime gets dropped off/turned into a literal future off-panel in addition to Jean using telekinesis on said future... off-panel, you really just exposed how self-serving your excuses were. How many obvious on-panel scenes and conversations are we supposed to ignore? How many off-panel scenes are we supposed to swallow for your interpretation to even start making sense?Thank you for wasting our time with this nonsense.
