Maestro vs superman and doomsday

Originally posted by h1a8
Please no more Hulk vs. DD threads. They are for idiots who don't know about DD.

DOS DD base strength is over 200,000 tons (Other versions are even stronger). His attack speed is faster than Superman can perceive. His penetration ability is Godlike (He went through superman's shoulder like tissue paper). He evolves in battle (Whats with the evolve after he dies crap?) unless your talking about DOS DD. This means that if you can't kill him in one hit then you are never going to kill him. This means his potential strength is unlimited. That means you better hide and hope he doesn't find you.

With that said,
What in the hell is going to prevent DD from penetrating Maestro's skull like paper with his bony protrusions? Or simply killing him before he can blink?

amen brotha

Originally posted by breeze85
This is very, very easy for DD and Superman due to their speed advantage. Maestro is a WAY slower than a snail compared to a bullet in this fight. They speedblitz Maestro out of existence, Superman could use heatvision to fry Maestro's ass for all eternity since he can fly, Superman could throw asteroids, moons and even small planets on Maestro. A simple speedblitz is enough, though.

10/10 for DD and Supes.

However, I agree that Maestro would win at least the majority if they went h2h at his pace.

and wat pace is that........... snails pace pal

Originally posted by thanospimphand
and wat pace is that........... snails pace pal

What amazes me about a lot of you, who use speed as your defence is there are a lot of beings in comics. As well as in our own world, who have lost battles to opponets that were slower than them. Lets take former boxer George Forman for example. At 45 yrs old he won the heavy weight title from a 25yr old. The other guy was a hell of a lot faster than he was, beating George to the punch all night. All it took from George was timing and one punch to knock the guy out. The moral of the story is, to beat speed use timing. The force of one running into a fist does more damage than one just standing there receiving it

Originally posted by heru
What amazes me about a lot of you, who use speed as your defence is there are a lot of beings in comics. As well as in our own world, who have lost battles to opponets that were slower than them. Lets take former boxer George Forman for example. At 45 yrs old he won the heavy weight title from a 25yr old. The other guy was a hell of a lot faster than he was, beating George to the punch all night. All it took from George was timing and one punch to knock the guy out. The moral of the story is, to beat speed use timing. The force of one running into a fist does more damage than one just standing there receiving it

This is an ant racing a space shuttle to the moon.

Originally posted by heru
What amazes me about a lot of you, who use speed as your defence is there are a lot of beings in comics. As well as in our own world, who have lost battles to opponets that were slower than them. Lets take former boxer George Forman for example. At 45 yrs old he won the heavy weight title from a 25yr old. The other guy was a hell of a lot faster than he was, beating George to the punch all night. All it took from George was timing and one punch to knock the guy out. The moral of the story is, to beat speed use timing. The force of one running into a fist does more damage than one just standing there receiving it

Can Maestros speed compete with this?

2 feats in one...

Interstellar hearing and faster than light travel from BED to a different galaxy and back.

i've come to reailze that 9/10 dc fanboys choose dc for the win by speedblitz every time infact they are the only ones thowing speedblitz around like it'a an automatic win technque

Timing is the key to beating speed. Most beings with speed gets beat with that tecnique. If speed was the greatest ability,no one with it should ever loose.

The issue isn't Speed. The issue is Density.

If the Maestro is more dense than DD and Supes, their speed will work against them.

As strong as they are, a speedblitz actually adds power to their strikes.
As that power increases with the speed, the punch actually becomes stronger than the original strength of the character.

If the matter or character that is being stricken, is the same, or higher density than Supes or DD, the end result should be DD or Supes having a shattered limb.
The damage is comparable, or higher than what would be caused if the following were to happen:

You have 3 Supermen. #1 stands still. #2 picks up #3 by his ankles and swings him. He swings him with the same speed and strength that Supes would use in a "Speedblitz".
In essence, this makes the Target (#1) and the Weapon/Limb (#3) more dense, and release more energy than either can take.
Speedblitzing is one of the few moves a being as powerful as DD or Supeswould NOT want to do. Unless he knew the target was way less dense that he is.

Like the difference between jumping in the water from a few feet above, or jumping in water at 100mph.
People burst like rotten fruit when they hit the water going too fast.

If Maestro is the same density as DD or Supes, the would not effectively use the Speedblitz on Maestro.
If he is more dense than them, which there is every indication that he is, they could potentially shatter against him.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Can Maestros speed compete with this?
2 feats in one...
Interstellar hearing and faster than light travel from BED to a different galaxy and back.

That is the stupidest feat I have ever seen in the history of comics!
That is not even "Hearing". It would be another sense. Call it something else. Hearing has nothing to do with how strong he is.
"Super-Hearing". I weap for the writers that actually used to care about what they wrote.

Originally posted by Horrificus
That is the stupidest feat I have ever seen in the history of comics!
That is not even "Hearing". It would be another sense. Call it something else. Hearing has nothing to do with how strong he is.
"Super-Hearing". I weap for the writers that actually used to care about what they wrote.

Originally posted by Horrificus
The issue isn't Speed. The issue is Density.

If the Maestro is more dense than DD and Supes, their speed will work against them.

As strong as they are, a speedblitz actually adds power to their strikes.
As that power increases with the speed, the punch actually becomes stronger than the original strength of the character.

If the matter or character that is being stricken, is the same, or higher density than Supes or DD, the end result should be DD or Supes having a shattered limb.
The damage is comparable, or higher than what would be caused if the following were to happen:

You have 3 Supermen. #1 stands still. #2 picks up #3 by his ankles and swings him. He swings him with the same speed and strength that Supes would use in a "Speedblitz".
In essence, this makes the Target (#1) and the Weapon/Limb (#3) more dense, and release more energy than either can take.
Speedblitzing is one of the few moves a being as powerful as DD or Supeswould NOT want to do. Unless he knew the target was way less dense that he is.

Like the difference between jumping in the water from a few feet above, or jumping in water at 100mph.
People burst like rotten fruit when they hit the water going too fast.

If Maestro is the same density as DD or Supes, the would not effectively use the Speedblitz on Maestro.
If he is more dense than them, which there is every indication that he is, they could potentially shatter against him.

First off, someone killing himself when punching the other isn't a part of comics' physics. Secondly, it doesn't really depend on the density that much at all. People can shatter concrete and tiles with their arms, now which one is more dense? It's about the total energy output the impact unleashes. Hell, an iceberg sank Titanic. Again, which one is more dense? (note: in Titanic's case it wasn't about the impact energy but rather the HUGE size and mass of the iceberg. The ice doesn't give in endlessly)

Third off, what stops DD and Superman hitting Maestro with steel bars, huge chunks of rock etc. I guess they will just break on Maestro because he is more dense? Still if Superman, for example, hit Maestro at the speed of light in the head his head would no longer exist.

yea but hulk fans don't know when to quit and realize hulk has been outclassed since the first superman vs. hulk thread, now chucking in doomsday isn't helping

Maestro can't compete with a speedblitz. Hell, Doomsday himself has super speed.

http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanspeedblitztingue4.jpg

http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanspeedblitzing2uj4.jpg

http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supermanspeedblitzing3xg5.png

Yeah, Maestro dies. Horribly.

😆

This is a slaughter.

Any version of Doomsday would take the Hulk 10/10.

Any version of Superman would do the same.

Fuggin Krypto could beat the Hulk.

Originally posted by breeze85
First off, someone killing himself when punching the other isn't a part of comics' physics. Secondly, it doesn't really depend on the density that much at all. People can shatter concrete and tiles with their arms, now which one is more dense? It's about the total energy output the impact unleashes. Hell, an iceberg sank Titanic. Again, which one is more dense? (note: in Titanic's case it wasn't about the impact energy but rather the HUGE size and mass of the iceberg. The ice doesn't give in endlessly)

Third off, what stops DD and Superman hitting Maestro with steel bars, huge chunks of rock etc. I guess they will just break on Maestro because he is more dense? Still if Superman, for example, hit Maestro at the speed of light in the head his head would no longer exist.

Originally posted by Horrificus
If Maestro is the same density as DD or Supes, the would not effectively use the Speedblitz on Maestro.
If he is more dense than them, which there is every indication that he is, they could potentially shatter against him.

Yeah, because neither Superman or Doomsday have hit objects denser than themselves before. 🙄

Anyway, Superman is far more durable than Hulk, it's a pretty good bet that he's more durable than Maestro as well.

Either one of them would take the majority by themself.

Originally posted by Horrificus
You don't know what you are talking about. Trut me. Do a little research before speaking with big words and quotes from sci-fi movies.
If Maestro is more dense, and moving at the speed of light explodes Maestro's head, what the hell do you think happens to Superman's fist and arm. Have you figured out a way to explain that Superman now has control of kinetic energy, and he can ensure that all of the released energy goes into Maestro, instead of his own hand?
Do you know that glacial ice and ice bergs have the density and tensile strength of steel in many cases? We aren't talking about the ice your mommy takes out of the trays, and puts into your soup so you don't burn your mouth.
Yes, the rocks and bars will break on the maestro.
You are missing the point. The strikes at hyper speed, even if they hurt Maestro, will still also hurt the strikers. That is the point.

You are so, so out of your league now.

Go read something about the icebergs: http://www.wordplay.com/tourism/icebergs/

One of my favourite picks: "How hard is iceberg ice?

The crushing strength of ice is around 1% that of steel or 10% that of concrete. Though this may not sound very hard, a ship collision with an iceberg would surely end in disaster. The enormous momentum involved and potentially huge contact area with the ice can generate hundreds of tonnes of force on the hull which would cause it to dent and crumple."

That's why the Titanic sank. If the icebergs were even partially consisted of denser-than-steel ice they would sink like stones. Even though they aren't STILL only 10% of them remains visible above the surface. And no, there is no ice even nearly as dense as steel anywhere. At depths below 60-70 meters the ice has already changed into fluid ice due to its own weight. Now show us where do we have these icebergs possessing the strength and density of steel? As said, average is 1/100 of steel's strength. Density a lot higher of course but certainly not matching that of steel.

Yep the smaller particles would indeed break on Maestro, not the big ones possessing enough mass and also density to some degree.

A man slamming concrete and tiles apart doesn't break his arm because...? I give you a hint: it's not because of his hand having a higher density.

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