Are Jesus and Muhammad (i.e. Mohammed) Alike?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What do you mean by leading billions astray from humanity?

Made them care for ideology of his Sunnah (behaviour) more than their own fellow beings. He glorified war and dying in war like a martyr and Muslims now, instead of abandoning those terrible teachings, they practice them still, not only against the West, but against themselves too.

It's like collective maddness and anyone who dares speak against it is put to death.

Kuwait (yes, Kuwait...wtf?! no idea) introduced death penalty for any Muslim who says anything against Mohammad or Allah or Islam. Kuffar (infidels) get 10 years jail time, but Muslims are put to death.

This is dangerous, because it stops Muslims from even suggesting that hating and killing Jews is wrong or that marrying children is wrong.

WHY Kuwait, WHY?!

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No. The name allah means "god" but it is not a reference to the same God of the Bible i.e. the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

The God of the Bible [B]has a Son.

The god of the Quran (i.e. allah) does not have a Son.

This is a conspicuous contradiction; Hence, the God of the Bible and the god of the Quran cannot be the same.

It is impossible for for the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to be the same as the god of the Quran. [/B]

I thought my cousin Johnny had a Chevy Silverado. Since he doesn't, he ceases to be my cousin Johnny. Makes perfect sense.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No. The name allah means "god" but it is not a reference to the same God of the Bible i.e. the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

The God of the Bible [B]has a Son.

The god of the Quran (i.e. allah) does not have a Son.

This is a conspicuous contradiction; Hence, the God of the Bible and the god of the Quran cannot be the same.

It is impossible for for the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to be the same as the god of the Quran. [/B]

You can argue that Islam is wrong in it's interpretation of God; that's fine.

God of the Qur'an is the same god of the Torah and Bible; this is a fact; denying it makes you a petty clown-shoe.

Originally posted by Robtard
You can argue that Islam is wrong in it's interpretation of God; that's fine.

God of the Qu'ran is the same god of the Torah and Bible; this is a fact; denying it makes you a petty clown-shoe.

The god of the Quran does not have a son so tell me: how can allah be the same as the God of the Bible?

Do you not see the contradiction?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The god of the Quran [b]does not have a son so tell me: how can allah be the same as the God of the Bible?

Do you not see the contradiction? [/B]

All that tells us is that one (or both) religion is wrong in their interpretation of God, not that it's a different god. God in the Torah does not have a son named Jesus, on that merit alone do the Jews worship a different god than Christians? No, they don't.

There is no contradiction. See DDM's analogy, he made it simply and humorous for you.

Allah hates Jews and is indifferent to Christians. He loves Muslims.

Again, same god; different interpretation.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Polytheism!

That's what Muhammad falsely claimed because he also did not understand the triune nature of God.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That's what Muhammad falsely claimed because he also did not understand the triune nature of God.

One is three, and three is one.

Muhammad was right about something. 😛

Originally posted by Robtard
All that tells us is that one (or both) religion is wrong in their interpretation of God, not that it's a different god. God in the Torah does not have a son named Jesus, on that merit alone do the Jews worship a different god than Christians? No, they don't.

There is no contradiction. See DDM's analogy, he made it simply and humorous for you.

How can both be wrong in their interpretation of God? Either God has a Son or He doesn't.

The Bible states that God (YHWH) has a Son.

The Quran states that allah does not have a son.

Both cannot be right.

Either the Bible is right and the Quran wrong or the Quran is right and the Bible wrong.

We both know which one is right--the Bible.

God in the Torah does have a Son.

The word God in Hebrew--the same language the Torah is written in--is Elohim.

The word Elohim is plural for God.

So the Trinity is present in the very first occurrence of the word God in the Torah: Genesis 1:1.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God [Elohim i.e. the Trinity] created the heavens and the earth.

In addition, the Torah prophesies about the Son Jesus.

At the time that the Torah was written Jesus had not become flesh yet (or taken on human form) yet.

Jesus was called the (eternal) Word before He was born of the virgin.

The angel Gabriel instructed Mary,

Luke 1:31
31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest;

The angel Gabriel instructed Mary to call her Son Yeshua (or Jesus) which means YHWH saves.

Furthermore, Gabriel stated,

Luke 1:35
35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God .

So God (YHWH) has a Son and is not the same as the god of the Quran.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

How can both be wrong in their interpretation of God? Either God has a Son or He doesn't.

The Bible states that God (YHWH) has a Son.

The Quran states that allah does not have a son.

[B]Both cannot be right.

Either the Bible is right and the Quran wrong or the Quran is right and the Bible wrong.

We both know which one is right--the Bible.

God in the Torah does have a Son.

The word God in Hebrew--the same language the Torah is written in--is Elohim.

The word Elohim is plural for God.

So the Trinity is present in the very first occurrence of the word God in the Torah: Genesis 1:1.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God [Elohim i.e. the Trinity] created the heavens and the earth.

In addition, the Torah prophesies about the Son Jesus.

At the time that the Torah was written Jesus had not become flesh yet (or taken on human form) yet.

Jesus was called the (eternal) Word before He was born of the virgin.

The angel Gabriel instructed Mary,

Luke 1:31
31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest;

The angel Gabriel instructed Mary to call her Son Yeshua (or Jesus) which means YHWH saves.

Furthermore, Gabriel stated,

Luke 1:35
35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God .

So God (YHWH) has a Son and is not the same as the god of the Quran. [/B]

Elohim better translates to "Gods", not "Trinity".

The Trinity is a concept injected into Christianity well after Christ's dispensation.

In Genesis it says, "Let Us x..." multiple times. There's a reason: because there is more than one person in the Godhead.

Which makes more sense:

God created a plan to kill Himself, through His son, which was also Himself, because He had to save His children from Himself.

OR

Jesus is not God but just a spiritual child of God like all the rest of us. The only difference between us and Jesus is Jesus was the only sinless human ever to live. And, therefore, the only person that could take upon Himself the sins of the world.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

How can both be wrong in their interpretation of God? Either God has a Son or He doesn't.

The Bible states that God (YHWH) has a Son.

The Quran states that allah does not have a son.

[B]Both cannot be right.

Either the Bible is right and the Quran wrong or the Quran is right and the Bible wrong.

We both know which one is right--the Bible.

God in the Torah does have a Son.

The word God in Hebrew--the same language the Torah is written in--is Elohim.

The word Elohim is plural for God.

So the Trinity is present in the very first occurrence of the word God in the Torah: Genesis 1:1.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God [Elohim i.e. the Trinity] created the heavens and the earth.

In addition, the Torah prophesies about the Son Jesus.

At the time that the Torah was written Jesus had not become flesh yet (or taken on human form) yet.

Jesus was called the (eternal) Word before He was born of the virgin.

The angel Gabriel instructed Mary,

Luke 1:31
31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest;

The angel Gabriel instructed Mary to call her Son Yeshua (or Jesus) which means YHWH saves.

Furthermore, Gabriel stated,

Luke 1:35
35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God .

So God (YHWH) has a Son and is not the same as the god of the Quran. [/B]

I never said one was correct over the other, I personally don't know. They're both (religion) man-made constructs trying to explain the unexplainable, imo.

Both Christianity and Islam can be wrong though in their own individual interpretations/beliefs. eg God has a daughter or an ugly red-headed stepchild named Morty. So yes, both can be wrong, the Jews certainly believe so. Mainstream Judaism doesn't accept Jesus as the one prophesied in the Torah.

According to Christian belief God has a son(who is God himself), yes. Islamic belief, Allah(same God) has no son. You can choose to believe one myth over the other; that is fine, but both are the same God and the same God of the Jews.

Or do to put in in simplest terms: 3 Religions / 1 God. You seem to like trinities being one, so there.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Elohim better translates to "Gods", not "Trinity".

The Trinity is a concept injected into Christianity well after Christ's dispensation.

In Genesis it says, "Let Us x..." multiple times. There's a reason: because there is more than one person in the Godhead.

Which makes more sense:

God created a plan to kill Himself, through His son, which was also Himself, because He had to save His children from Himself.

OR

Jesus is not God but just a spiritual child of God like all the rest of us. The only difference between us and Jesus is Jesus was the only sinless human ever to live. And, therefore, the only person that could take upon Himself the sins of the world.

You are absolutely correct about there being more than one Person in the Godhead.

No. God did not kill Himself. The Son sacrificed Himself for humanity.

Now you have just contradicted yourself. You just admitted that there is more than one Person in the Godhead (which is correct).

But in the next sentence you deny that Jesus is God.

Jesus is not the Father-God, but He is the Son-God.

There is a Father-God, a Son-God and a Holy Spirit-God.

But these Three are One (i.e .one God not three Gods).

They constitute Three manifestations of the one God.

No. There are more differences between us and the Lord Jesus.

For example, the Lord Jesus is divine (i.e. He is God).

We are not God.

The Lord Jesus existed in the beginning (i.e. in eternity past before there was a universe) with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

You are correct again.

The Lord Jesus is the only Person to live a sinless life.

The Lord Jesus is the only Person qualified to take the sins of fallen, sinful humanity upon Himself because His earthly Father was not Adam, but God the Father.

Hence, the Lord Jesus' Blood was not corrupted by sin.

His Blood could be shed for humanity, and redeem us back to God the Father.

Praise Jesus!

Glory to God the Father!

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You are absolutely correct about there being more than one Person in the Godhead.

lol Thanks.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No. God did not kill Himself. The Son sacrificed Himself for humanity.

Yes, God killed himself if Jesus and God are of the same essence/entity. It was His plan to kill Himself to save His children from His wrath...if they are the same entity as you believe.

Here's the summary: "Don't commit suicide! Thus saith Me!"

*Commits suicide and calls it the atonement*

Makes perfect sense. 😐

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Now you have just contradicted yourself. You just admitted that there is more than one Person in the Godhead (which is correct).

I have not. You are contradicting yourself and this is my point. They are either separate beings you are doom yourself to woefully silly logic like the "killed Himself" point.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But in the next sentence you deny that Jesus is God.

That's because Jesus isn't God the Father. 🙂

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus is not the Father-God, but He is the Son-God.

I think you meant "Sun-God". ho ho ho hooo! JK

Jesus ascended into Godhood, yes. But he is not THE God.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is a Father-God, a Son-God and a Holy Spirit-God.

There is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Nowhere is it ever stated "Father-God" or "Son-God."

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But these Three are One (i.e .one God not three Gods).

One in purpose, if you read your scriptures properly. Jesus also commanded the apostles to be one, just like He and the Father are one. Now how is it possible for them to become the same entity like the concept of the Trinity? Or does this "oneness" have a different meaning? (That last question is rhetorical)

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
They constitute Three manifestations of the [B]one God.[/B]

Which was a new doctrine decided upon by the first Council of Nicaea.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No. There are more differences between us and the Lord Jesus.

SURE! But that's the main reason he could atone and none of us could not.

For example, the Lord Jesus is divine (i.e. He is God).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

We are not God.

The Lord Jesus existed in the beginning (i.e. in eternity past before there was a universe) with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

According to Jesus, we are gods, also. So there goes your evidence for the Trinity concept.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Glory to God the Father!

I agree. We should all be thankful to God for what He has given us. We should also be thankful to each other for what we have given each other, too.

God gave me you, my beautiful Mormon love biscuit!

Originally posted by dadudemon

We should also be thankful to each other for what we have given each other, too.

What if it was AIDS?

Originally posted by dadudemon
lol Thanks.

Yes, God killed himself if Jesus and God are of the same essence/entity. It was His plan to kill Himself to save His children from His wrath...if they are the same entity as you believe.

Here's the summary: "Don't commit suicide! Thus saith Me!"

*Commits suicide and calls it the atonement*

Makes perfect sense. 😐

I have not. You are contradicting yourself and this is my point. They are either separate beings you are doom yourself to woefully silly logic like the "killed Himself" point.

That's because Jesus isn't God the Father. 🙂

I think you meant "Sun-God". ho ho ho hooo! JK

Jesus ascended into Godhood, yes. But he is not THE God.

There is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Nowhere is it ever stated "Father-God" or "Son-God."

One in purpose, if you read your scriptures properly. Jesus also commanded the apostles to be one, just like He and the Father are one. Now how is it possible for them to become the same entity like the concept of the Trinity? Or does this "oneness" have a different meaning? (That last question is rhetorical)

Which was a new doctrine decided upon by the first Council of Nicaea.

SURE! But that's the main reason he could atone and none of us could not.

For example, [B]the Lord Jesus is divine (i.e. He is God).

According to Jesus, we are gods, also. So there goes your evidence for the Trinity concept.

I agree. We should all be thankful to God for what He has given us. We should also be thankful to each other for what we have given each other, too. [/B]

No. God the Father did not kill Himself. It was God the Son Jesus Who died on the cross.

God is a term that is used of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit because each Person within the Godhead is God. To illustrate, there is a God class, kind, group, or essence as it were just as there is a human class, kind, group, or essence; and an animal class, kind, group, or essence.

The Lord Jesus happens to be in the God class as distinct from the animal class. We happen to be in the human class as distinct from the God class. But animals happen to be in the animal class as distinct from the human class.

There are only Three Individuals in the God class: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

No, I meant God the Son or Son in the God class; hence, Son of God.

The oneness that we born again believers share with the Trinity is a mystery. I do not believe that it is the same oneness in essence or class as the Trinity, for or because how can the creature (us) be Creator?

This is a contradiction of terms.

There has always existed a Trinity.

Go back and read Genesis 1:1 and 1:26.

Proverbs 30:4 reads,

Proverbs 30:4
Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son’s Name, If you know?

The book of Proverbs was penned by King Solomon 1,200 years before the Council of Nicaea convened.

No, Jesus Christ did not ascend to Godhood as you stated.

The Lord Jesus has always been divine.

John 1:1 states,

John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word [Jesus Christ], and the Word [Jesus Christ] was with God, and the Word [Jesus Christ] was God. 2 He [Jesus Christ] was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him [Jesus Christ], and without Him [Jesus Christ] nothing was made that was made.

I have a theological question.

I know nobody created God and he always existed, but for what purpose?

What is the purpose of God?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I have a theological question.

I know nobody created God and he always existed, but for what purpose?

What is the purpose of God?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I have a theological question.

I know nobody created God and he always existed, but for what purpose?

What is the purpose of God?

Lil...that's why I want you and everyone that I meet in person and interact with on this forum to get saved!

So that we can all spend eternity asking God the Father questions like this.

I know I will be sitting in the Father's lap asking all kinds of questions like this.

But you will never be able to get any of these questions answered if you go to Hell.

Heaven is so exciting!!!

I can't wait to go!!!

Although it won't be as fun without you and the rest of my KMC friends there with me gathered around the Father God's throne getting all of the answers to life's questions.

Check out this guy's testimony of Heaven.

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