Are Jesus and Muhammad (i.e. Mohammed) Alike?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Question Robtard: have you read every one of my posts in this thread? I will answer your question as soon as you answer mine first.

Well the underlying agenda once again seems to be the comparison of someone you believe is the child of God (and more) and a human male representing a religion you believe to be wrong and born from the worship of a "moon God" - and worse, due in part to Chick Tract portrayals.

Arguably I would say he has a point in asking why you needed to make a thread when you have made your opinions on the matter clear many times before.

I would just like to say that the moon and sun, are a lot more of gods than Jesus could ever be. I mean think about it,

Life: If it wasn't for the sun and moon, we wouldn't have the energy needed to make water, plants, animals, and our lives themselves.

Emotion: Both the sun and moon provide weather, which creates mood and atmosphere, can't say much about Jesus.

Science: If it wasn't for the sun and moon, people would never have understood outer-space, biology, how energy transfers, and many more.

Yes, the sun and moon are more of gods than Jesus. Infact, I like to see the sun and moon as gods. After-all, you can actually see them almost every day! And they've been here all the time.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I would just like to say that the moon and sun, are a lot more of gods than Jesus could ever be. I mean think about it,

Life: If it wasn't for the sun and moon, we wouldn't have the energy needed to make water, plants, animals, and our lives themselves.

Emotion: Both the sun and moon provide weather, which creates mood and atmosphere, can't say much about Jesus.

Science: If it wasn't for the sun and moon, people would never have understood outer-space, biology, how energy transfers, and many more.

Yes, the sun and moon are more of gods than Jesus. Infact, I like to see the sun and moon as gods. After-all, you can actually see them almost every day! And they've been here all the time.

Exactly why the moon and sun figured so prominently in ancient mythologies. Even lacking the science to truly understand the two they knew the importance of them.

This is links up with a possible theory on why the Genesis account was presented in such a way - purposely trying to limit the influence of the sun and moon in the eyes of potential followers and set themselves apart from the Egyptians and the like (which is a tactic to avoid gradual cultural assimilation.)

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Well the underlying agenda once again seems to be the comparison of someone you believe is the child of God (and more) and a human male representing a religion you believe to be wrong and born from the worship of a "moon God" - and worse, due in part to Chick Tract portrayals.

Arguably I would say he has a point in asking why you needed to make a thread when you have made your opinions on the matter clear many times before.

Exactly and to the point.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Question Robtard: have you read every one of my posts in this thread? I will answer your question as soon as you answer mine first.

Answer: Yes, I read the entire first page where you defend Jesus as being "without sin" and then I skimmed through the pages here and there. AND! I did this before I asked you the question. Your ball.

Originally posted by Robtard
Answer: Yes, I read the entire first page where you defend Jesus as being "without sin" and then I skimmed through the pages here and there. AND! I did this before I asked you the question. Your ball.

Just like I suspected. Read every one of my posts in this thread because I have already explained the answer to your question/statement.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Just like I suspected. Read every one of my posts in this thread because I have already explained the answer to your question/statement.

Let me guess... Ask Jesus for forgiveness and except him into my heart as the one and only true God while I will still have the chance before he comes back to rapture away his church and I am left on the sidelines burning in eternal damnation?

You didn't answer my question though, you just said it's there somewhere for me to find.

Originally posted by Terrorist

Okay, this picture is funny...

Originally posted by Regret
Are you saying that Christ is not a specialist in philosophy? You literalistic Christians are rather poor in intellect I believe. You say God can do anything, yet he is not the master of any philosophy? Does God have no philosophy? What is philosophy?

Christ most definitely was/is a philosopher.

I was being sarcastic, sorry I guess I am bad at it.

Originally posted by crazy
I was being sarcastic, sorry I guess I am bad at it.

I got it.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Exactly why the moon and sun figured so prominently in ancient mythologies. Even lacking the science to truly understand the two they knew the importance of them.

This is links up with a possible theory on why the Genesis account was presented in such a way - purposely trying to limit the influence of the sun and moon in the eyes of potential followers and set themselves apart from the Egyptians and the like (which is a tactic to avoid gradual cultural assimilation.)

As for the Egyptians, something tells me that they didn't believe all those myths that we think. After all, what evidence to people have that ancient egyptians didn't have a sense of humour?

Originally posted by crazy
I was being sarcastic, sorry I guess I am bad at it.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Although the common view is based upon definition. Compare your definition of philosophy:

With one of religion:

or alternativly Theology:

Now as I mentioned both share similarities, but the differences are sufficiently prominent enough to separate them into distinct categories. And ultimate the differences outweigh the similarities.

Both religion and philosophy can deal with how one should live their life - as does the law. Is the law also a philosophy? Religious teachers present a view of life - yes - but a religious view. Strip away the religion and you might have a philosophy (as I have seen with Buddhism.) However if you stripped away the religion from Christianity would it still be Christianity since the basis of it is accepting Jesus as the Messiah? Clearly not.

Similarities yes, but the differences in approach, purpose and origin of the theory put forward separate a philosopher from a preacher.

And back to that definition of philosophy - which ones exactly would you say Jesus belongs under?

[b]1.Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline. - Well I guess so, but isn't the way advised to be through God rather then intellect?
2.Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods. - I don't think so.
3.A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry: the philosophy of Hume. - No.
4.The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs. - Did Jesus engage in critical analysis of belief?
5.The disciplines presented in university curriculums of science and the liberal arts, except medicine, law, and theology. - The theology applies here.
6.The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology. - No.
7.A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory: an original philosophy of advertising. - No really.
8.A system of values by which one lives: has an unusual philosophy of life. - Kind of, but a philosophy of life generally doesn't have a religious component.

So in a way yes - philosophical elemants, but far from being comprahensive. Just like a philosophers could be judged against a religious or theological definitions and seem to fall under some of the listings, but still be considered a philosopher. The differences outwiegh the similarities. [/B]

I agree with Regret. Jesus Christ is definately a philosopher in all aspects.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I agree with Regret. Jesus Christ is definately a philosopher in all aspects.

Originally posted by Regret
Which is entirely your opinion, I disagree, and hold that Christ, and other religious figures, were philosophers. I do not hold that they were only philosophers, but they were philosophers as well as other things.

Well I am arguing from the perspective of definition. There is a reason, a very good reason, why the two terms are not interchangable.

The way in which they approached the questions.

The source from which they believed answer could be derived.

The way in which they viewed humanity

The fields they gave prominence to in approaching the questions they asked.

I have already stated that there are similarities. But the differences divide a philosopher from a religious leader. They are not the same. The similarities are not enough to make them fit under the same heading.

A firefighter and a paramedic are both rescue workers just as a philosopher and religious figure are both teachers. They both have similarities, but the difference in the way they work, the fields in which they operate, the kind of knowledge they utilise and work with means they can be defined by that single heading.

Jesus could only truly be considered a philosopher if the religious aspect was removed. If he was just a man preach a mans view of life. However due to the religious nature and origin claimed by his view he can not truly be classified as a philosopher first. He is a religious leader. However I think that he, if he existed, was just a man, and that his views are manmade. I think all religious leaders have been. In this sense I think all religious leaders are psuedo-philosophers. That there religion is based pureply on philosophy. However the arguement here I am operating under the concept of Jesus's claims being true.

Do you have some sort of theory as to why philosopher and religious leader should be interchangeable simply because both at some point might present a message for life? Because to my knowledge that alone is not enough in terms of scholarship. The fact remains the difference define them as two separate groups.

Originally posted by Robtard
Let me guess... Ask Jesus for forgiveness and except him into my heart as the one and only true God while I will still have the chance before he comes back to rapture away his church and I am left on the sidelines burning in eternal damnation?

You didn't answer my question though, you just said it's there somewhere for me to find.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No one is spreading hatred. If you characterize facts presented in comparative, analytical form hatred then you don't understand what hatred is. Hatred would be to present false, malicious, untrue statements about someone or something. But everything that those links provided is factual and true. So, no there is no hatred being spread here.

The only thing that I hate is sin, and lies are definitely sinful. So, I don't hate anything or anyone except sin, satan, demons, and evil. Islam is not ordained of God (meaning that the God of the Bible is not its Founder). All of the religions of the world were started by satan to divert people from the true God as revealed in the Bible.

The reason that I asked you if you had read all of my posts in this thread is because if you had, you would have come across this post. This post sums up why I made this thread. Thanks.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The reason that I asked you if you had read all of my posts in this thread is because if you had, you would have come across this post. This post sums up why I made this thread. Thanks.

The first link you posted says Jesus came back to life. That is ****ing bullshit. How the **** can anyone come back to life?