Are Jesus and Muhammad (i.e. Mohammed) Alike?

Originally posted by Fatima
i think that people have brains to read and search about prophet mohammed , no need for this useless topic to spread the heatrd .

i dont know why you hate Islam ...tell us the reason maybe we will help you .

No one is spreading hatred. If you characterize facts presented in comparative, analytical form hatred then you don't understand what hatred is. Hatred would be to present false, malicious, untrue statements about someone or something. But everything that those links provided is factual and true. So, no there is no hatred being spread here.

The only thing that I hate is sin, and lies are definitely sinful. So, I don't hate anything or anyone except sin, satan, demons, and evil. Islam is not ordained of God (meaning that the God of the Bible is not its Founder). All of the religions of the world were started by satan to divert people from the true God as revealed in the Bible.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Just so you know, I don't hate Islam, in fact it makes more sense to me than Christianity. (Except for that whole covering up women and women serving man shit). These christians hate Islam because of the holy war. And a few other reasons like 9/11.

You don't speak for Christians so you don't know what we hate. The only thing that I hate is sin, satan, demons, and evil. Islam is not of God; therefore, it must be of satan. God did not found the Islamic religion. So if the true God is not the Founder, that only leaves one possible person who could have instituted it: that's right, the devil.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Didn't Jesus fight the Romans?

There is no record anywhere on the planet that Jesus ever fought the Romans or anyone else for that matter. I wonder where you get your information from because it certainly is not from the Bible.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is no such thing as 7 deadly sins. Here is what the Bible calls them:

[B]Proverbs 6:16-19
These six things the LORD hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination
to Him:
A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.

Xyz, neither anger nor wrath is included in the seven things that God calls an abomination (Incidentally, God calls these things an abomination not deadly sins). So where did anger and wrath come from in you list? [/B]

According to St. Gregory the Great, Wrath or anger is the 3rd most serious Deadly Sin. Of course, Wrath is only a deadly sin when it is applied for no good reason, as you said. But Wrath is a sin. Although wrath isn't something that God explicity disapproves of (i.e. stated in the Bible), you have to admit, Anger for any reason isn't good. Reason is good. Serenity is good. Anger defies both of these virtues.

Originally posted by Fatima
i think you must be objective in choosing these sites , you take site from christians view in islam i know the result before i read it ,thats unfaire.

take info from this site

islamreligion.com

I agree , IT IS quite unfair.

LETS try an analogy with food.
Curry Goat
Someone who never heard of it, or just knows a very little will be automatically turned of by it and say bad stuff without even trying it out. While those who Do know it, may like or Love it.

Same goes for what Fatima said, those people in those sites, dont know or understand Islam fully to appreciate it, so they write about the things that they see on the surface.

They never ever talk to anyone who are muslims now and intend on staying as a muslim.

Would you trust the word of people who try to talk for everyone, epecially when they are in the minority?? NO!!
Anyone who uses their GOD- GIVEN RIGHT, to use their brain to understand and/or love others WOULD see that!!!!!!!

Originally posted by lord xyz
Then why did the Romans crucify him?

The Roman governor Pontius Pilate delievered Jesus Christ to be crucified in response to the will of the Jews. The chief priests and elders plotted to have Jesus put to death for the crime of blasphemy. However, the Jews were under Roman rule at the time and so they did not have the authority to put Jesus to death. For this reason, the chief priests and elders of the (Jewish) people delivered Jesus to Pontius Pilate the governor of Judea and instigated Jesus' crucifixion. The chief priests did everything they could to get Jesus executed inasmuch as seeking false testimony. Jesus crime was confessing to the chief priests, elders, and the council that He stood before that He was/is the Christ (i.e. Mashiyach in Hebrew which means Anointed One or Messiah in English), and that He is the Son of God. Jesus affirmed that He is the Son of God. Those who questioned Him knew that when Jesus said that He is the Son of God that He was saying that He is divine. That is why the high priest tore his clothes and accused Jesus of speaking blasphemy. They concluded that Jesus Christ was deserving of death for that one statement. Pilate called Jesus a just Person and even washed his hands before the multitude to signify that he was innocent of Jesus blood (i.e. His death). Pilate admitted to the chief priests and to the crowd that he found no fault in Jesus. As soon as Pilate discovered that Jesus belonged to Herod’s jurisdiction (Herod Antipas was a tetrarch i.e. the sovereign or governor of the fourth part of a country. In this case it was of Galilee), he sent Jesus to Herod, who was also in Jerusalem at that time. The chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused Jesus. Finally, after Pilate had called together the chief priests, the rulers, and the people, he made the following announcement:

Luke 23:14-25
14 said to them, “You have brought this Man to me, as one who misleads the people. And indeed, having examined Him in your presence, I have found no fault in this Man concerning those things of which you accuse Him; 15 no, neither did Herod, for I sent you back to him; and indeed nothing deserving of death has been done by Him. 16 I will therefore chastise Him and release Him” 17 (for it was necessary for him to release one to them at the feast).
18 And they all cried out at once, saying, “Away with this Man, and release to us Barabbas”— 19 who had been thrown into prison for a certain rebellion made in the city, and for murder.
20 Pilate, therefore, wishing to release Jesus, again called out to them. 21 But they shouted, saying, “Crucify Him, crucify Him!” 22 Then he said to them the third time, “Why, what evil has He done? I have found no reason for death in Him. I will therefore chastise Him and let Him go.” 23 But they were insistent, demanding with loud voices that He be crucified. And the voices of these men and of the chief priests prevailed.24 So Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they requested. 25 And he released to them the one they requested, who for rebellion and murder had been thrown into prison; but he delivered Jesus to their will.

Originally posted by debbiejo
No, Jesus never said he was King of the Jews......

Matthew 27:11
“Now Jesus stood before the governor. And the governor asked Him, saying, "Are You the King of the Jews?” Jesus said to him, “It is as you say.”

Mark 15:2
Then Pilate asked Him, “Are You the King of the Jews? ”He answered and said to him, “It is as you say.”

Luke 23:3
Then Pilate asked Him, saying, “Are You the King of the Jews?” He answered him and said, “It is as you say.”

The Lord Jesus did declare to be the King of the Jews.

Originally posted by Fatima
both mohammed and jesus are prophets ...they are human make amistake .

Jesus Christ is true God and true Man (i.e. Jesus is God in human flesh). But Muhammad was/is just a man.

Originally posted by Regret
Both fit the term prophet, if both existed they were human. Without sin and without mistake are two separate concepts. Perfection may not absolutely negate the possibility of mistake. Christ did not tell his parents before leaving the family in his youth and discussing religion with the elders, this may have been a mistake, I am sure my wife and I would considering our sons to have made a mistake if they did similar.

[list][*]Muhammad was a great man with noble aspirations, I would claim Christ was the same.
[*]Muhammad began a powerful religion that is often misinterpreted by its followers, Christ did the same.
[*]Muhammad was a loving individual, Christ was the same.
[*]Muhammad was carried away in the spirit to view areas, Christ had the same occurrence, albeit Christ was taken by Satan whereas Muhammad was taken by an angel.
[*]Muhammad was a persuasive individual, Christ was also.
[*]Both taught good principles.[/list]

There is a stark contrast between Jesus Christ and Muhammad, but I have already provided links at the outset of this thread that detail those great differences.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is a stark contrast between Jesus Christ and Muhammad, but I have already provided links at the outset of this thread that detail those great differences.

Except the links are aaources that 2 year old would use.

Originally posted by Regret
But, when asked if he would deny being such he was silent.

That is not true. Jesus received a fusillade of false accusations (i.e. false, trumped up testimonies) as He stood before the chief priests, the elders, all the council, and the false witnesses. It is only in reference to these allegations that Jesus remained silent as they continued to interrogate Him.

But when asked whether He was the King of the Jews or the Son of God, Jesus did not keep silent but boldly declared that He was.

1) JIA....give it up already...you're arguments are tiring and no one's convinced, have you noticed ?

2) Jesus and Mohammed are nothing alike. Jesus didn't slaughter innocent people, Mohammed DID !

Yes...making the crown of thorns history's most ironic and hilarious execution getups.

Originally posted by Regret
Actually, if you read Christ's words, the words that people actually state he said, he comes across very much as a philosopher. Only the narative surrounding his words changes the perception, the same as Muhammad.

Jesus was/is not a philosopher, He is the Son of the living God. The words that Jesus spoke were/are spirit and they are life. Furthermore, Jesus said that He spoke those things that He had seen, heard, been taught, learned, and was commanded to speak by/from His Father (in Heaven).

The words of philosophers are just that, the words of men. Hence, there is no comparison between the two.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus was/is not a philosopher, He is the Son of the living God. The words that Jesus spoke were/are spirit and they are life. Furthermore, Jesus said that He spoke those things that He had seen, heard, been taught, learned, and was commanded to speak by/from His Father (in Heaven).

The words of philosophers are just that, the words of men. Hence, there is no comparison between the two.

Jesus was just a man. A Great man, but a man nonetheless. Get over it !

Buddha's better anyway.

Originally posted by crazy
The bias is unfair, I showed you in pretty good detail why chick tracts lacked merit and how there sources were not all too great and you basically said you believe it regardless so theres not much I can do about that.

With all due respect crazy I was not talking to you and my question to Fatima has nothing in the world to do with Chick Tracts.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
With all due respect crazy I was not talking to you and my question to Fatima has nothing in the world to do with Chick Tracts.

This is a public forum, if you wnat to have a private conversation, use pms.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Actually, there is a difference between Muhammed and Jesus. Muhammed was a philosopher, Jesus, was not. And that is the difference.

Actually, this is wrong. Merely through evidence of what one and the other preached.

The reason why there is a massive debate regarding whether Jesus was thought by Buddhists/Hindus was because his words correlated to those of Buddha and Krishna.

The very religion Muhammad brought in (which already existed, for the larger part) is ''submission'' to him and to God
(hence word Islam, meaning submission.)

Allah already existed as the God of Moon, as did pretty much every other aspect of Islamic religion today. Raise of Muhammad was political and social as well AS religious. This is a complete life set.

I the Hadiths you will find EVERYTHING about how you are to lead your life, from birth, to having a shit, to what side of the table you are to pass a glass of milk, all the way to the fact that you are not allowed to whipe your hands on a cloth, before you've licked your fingers.

The reason Muhammad was not a philosopher was simply because he did not bring in any philosophy which was different to what Arabs already had.
Hence Arabs doubted him up until the last one was killed off.

Arabs were also smarter than a lot of people will think. When Muhammad came to them and told them he is a prophet of god Arabs asked him for PROOF!

They asked him to call upon Allah and Angels so they, for themselves can see him as a prophet of God.
To think of Arabs as backward, savage or stupid before Muhammad does not do justice to the Pagan Arbaians at all.
However it is a very popular thought, for whatever reason.

Jesus was a different kind of prophet - he had a philosophy, (which as I already said correlates with a lot of ''Eastern'' religions of enlightenment and inner peace, etc.)

My personal thought is that Jesus was not a son of Deity, but that it is merely something attributed to him by his followers in his memory our of respect for him, which later became ''gospel'' for Christians. (gospel - boom boom chisss!!).

As a historical figure, I respect Jesus, much more so than I respect Muhammad.
Muhammad was an interesting figure, and he should NOT be mixed and compared to Jesus.

They initially had different kinds of ideas and different kinds of vision for the world. It is the same thing as comparing Che Guevara and Gandhi.

I like Che, for the political reasons, for the underlying thing he wanted to happen, however he cannot compare to Gandhi, who inevitably resented anything which advocated violence.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is no such thing as 7 deadly sins. Here is what the Bible calls them:

[B]Proverbs 6:16-19
These six things the LORD hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination
to Him:
A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,
A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.

Xyz, neither anger nor wrath is included in the seven things that God calls an abomination (Incidentally, God calls these things an abomination not deadly sins). So where did anger and wrath come from in you list? [/B]

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The very religion Muhammad brought in (which already existed, for the larger part) is ''submission'' to him and to God
(hence word Islam, meaning submission.)

Allah already existed as the God of Moon, as did pretty much every other aspect of Islamic religion today. Raise of Muhammad was political and social as well AS religious. This is a complete life set.

I the Hadiths you will find EVERYTHING about how you are to lead your life, from birth, to having a shit, to what side of the table you are to pass a glass of milk, all the way to the fact that you are not allowed to whipe your hands on a cloth, before you've licked your fingers.

The reason Muhammad was not a philosopher was simply because he did not bring in any philosophy which was different to what Arabs already had.
Hence Arabs doubted him up until the last one was killed off.

Arabs were also smarter than a lot of people will think. When Muhammad came to them and told them he is a prophet of god Arabs asked him for PROOF!

They asked him to call upon Allah and Angels so they, for themselves can see him as a prophet of God.
To think of Arabs as backward, savage or stupid before Muhammad does not do justice to the Pagan Arbaians at all.
However it is a very popular thought, for whatever reason.

Jesus was a different kind of prophet - he had a philosophy, (which as I already said correlates with a lot of ''Eastern'' religions of enlightenment and inner peace, etc.)

My personal thought is that Jesus was not a son of Deity, but that it is merely something attributed to him by his followers in his memory our of respect for him, which later became ''gospel'' for Christians. (gospel - boom boom chisss!!).

As a historical figure, I respect Jesus, much more so than I respect Muhammad.
Muhammad was an interesting figure, and he should NOT be mixed and compared to Jesus.

They initially had different kinds of ideas and different kinds of vision for the world. It is the same thing as comparing Che Guevara and Gandhi.

I like Che, for the political reasons, for the underlying thing he wanted to happen, however he cannot compare to Gandhi, who inevitably resented anything which advocated violence.

Makes sense. (But is Jesus no different?)