Elizabeth Dress Similarities

Actually, that's a great question. I was wondering that myself. Obviously the old school, superstious pirates like Gibbs believe that women are bad luck aboard ships. Which is strange, since ships are reffered to as being feminine.

Though, I think it's a tribute to Elizabeth that Gibbs is willing to make an exception of his opinion for Elizabeth. I've been noticing how much of an intricate part of the crew she is. Jack gives an order, Elizabeth is quick to take up the call. Also, besides Gibbs, she is one of the few crew members who stands on the upper part of the ship where the wheel is. (My knowledge of ship terminology is woefully limited).

Here's what I found out about the pirate superstitions:

Women onboard a ship make the sea angry.

If you come across a bare footed women on your way to a ship, bad luck would be sure to follow.

A naked women onboard a ship calms the sea
Hence the numerous bare breasted figureheads on sailing ships of old. Who ever said a sailor was politically correct

Also it says that it's bad luck to rename a ship....The original name of the Black Pearl is the Wicked Wench. Maybe that explains why Jack has had some bad luck with the ship...

maybe.. I dont think Luck exists. Just desteny by the choices you make. Jack chose to have liz a board. Eventually his destiny led him to fall in love and be chained lol. But it was a choice he made, its not bad luck.

Originally posted by Chiki Mina
maybe.. I dont think Luck exists. Just desteny by the choices you make. Jack chose to have liz a board. Eventually his destiny led him to fall in love and be chained lol. But it was a choice he made, its not bad luck.

Ah yes, but you're not a pirate. Obviously, the series is really about the choices that are made and the consequences of those choices. A rational, unsuperstitious person would say that the events of Jack's life that followed the sinking of the Wicked Wench were due to the choices he made after that moment.

But a pirate would say that Jack's decision to rename the Wench the Pearl doomed him to a string of great misfortunes. Personally, it seems like Jack is chained to the fate of the Pearl because of his earlier decision to become a pirate. He was shackled to the Pearl by Elizabeth, thus preventing him from gaining what he truly wanted. In the rough draft AWE script, his purgatory is trying to pull the Black Pearl from the sand with a rope and failing.

yea on the supposed rough draft. How the two guys(forgot their names) said that the ship was so evil that hel itself spat it back out. or was it about barbossa...omg lol im loosing credibility here. Im falling asleep on my keyboard thats my problem. Sorry I couldnt add a good theory.

Well, actually that's a good point. They don't say whether it's Barbossa or Jack. I would assume that they're referring to Barbossa since he's had the ship for ten years.
Though he doesn't seem that evil any more, which is strange, at least not in the third script.

I think that was Barbossa, too.

That's so interesting, savvy, about the pirate policies about women. I used to know a lot of sea superstitions, but no more. Pirates and sailors were just really superstitious then and it's a credit to Jack that he goes the unconventional route, renaming ships and letting women on board (fully clothed).

At the end of COTBP when everyone is on the Isle de Muerta and the little pirate with the red hat is chasing someone and says something about pain, Elizabeth whacks him up side the head and says something like "Pain? You like pain? Try wearing a corset."

I find it very interesting that Jack removed Liz's shackles (dress/corset) of her life at the beginning of COTBP and by the end of DMC she shackles Jack to his life (mast).

T/T said they named the ship Black Pearl to show the contrast between Barbossa and Jack, one black hearted and one who wishes to be, but isn't. Maybe that is why the Kraken is after the ship, because in Davy Jones' locker it was the Wicked Wench not the Black Pearl. Why didn't the Kraken go after Jack in his little row boat?

Barbossa's not really a bad guy though..I think they just mean he's a better pirate..and Jack just wishes he was but he cant because he's far to caring to be a good pirate.

He's a good sailor though 🙂

Jack considers himself a pirate bc he breaks the rules

Barbossa is more of a pirate bc hes cold blooded. Hes not a bad person, hes just-his plans are more evil.

Barbossa's pretty cruel. I think he's a bad person. Are you guys saying he's not evil because he wants to be able to feel? You can be human and have human needs and wants and still be a bad guy. He leaves people to die on islands, orders a guy strapped to a cannon by his boostraps to drown, an overall pillager.

As Lizzy said to Will "Why would a man kill another for a ship?"

Will's response: "Because he's a pirate."

I'm talking about him killig himself in order to save jack/Liz in movie 3??

but I agree with you willofthewisp

but I remember in the commentary T&T said "see Barbossa is not really a bad guy"

but compared to Jack..he IS 😂

Originally posted by LovelyOne
I'm talking about him killig himself in order to save jack/Liz in movie 3??

but I agree with you willofthewisp

but I remember in the commentary T&T said "see Barbossa is not really a bad guy"

Yep, I remember that quite well also lovleyOne, T&T actually compared Jack and Barbossa and called the Pirate gods, remember that

Omg!! WHERE THE FREAK IS MY HEAD WHEN I SEE THIS MOVIE!? It must be switched with my ass or something!!

Barbossa is just a guy you love to hate. Geoffrey Rush really puts his heart and soul into the part and creates a larger-than-life character second only to Jack. Johnny calls him the Wicked Witch of the West of the high seas and it's true. He's immortalized as a villain and that's why I think we all like him.

I dont' care what happens in AWE...I will go to my grave believing that Jack and Elizabeth are meant for each other...they are each others' destiny....wasn't it destiny that she fell into the ocean just as Jack was talking to the two sailors...he had to jump in to save her....release her for her corsetted life...."it would be exciting to meet a pirate"...she can't keep her eyes off of him in this scene..."you're dispicable"..."sticks and stones, luv"....destiny...that they are marooned on the "island" together...she teaches Jack the "pirates life for me"song....so many others...ugghhhh I'm so tired of going over these points, clues...etc....ALLL I KNOW (sorry Rogue)....is that Jack and ELizabeth belong together...and I don't care what happens I will always believe that...and I know that Keira (Elizabeth) knows it too...I truly believe if Keira has anything to do with it...her character will be lovey dovey with Captain Sparrow once again.....gosh Will is soooo boring..

I know Will is boring, thats why he should go with me lol. 2 boring ppl me and will woohoo. although i could use him to make someone feel jealous..

Will, psh, how could any girl pick Will when Jack is around? It's like chocolate vs. artichoke hearts.

well since every gurl wants jack. Hes been taking for. Jack sparrow wont notice me lol. Just the pretty gurls. So might as well end up with Will...