Originally posted by Soujaboy
You honestly believe that Superman's power aren't in the slightest bit exaggerated? I Mean how do you hold a black Hole together in your hands? 😕
Your trying to staple logic onto suprman, yet you don't try to place logic on Silver surfer or Thor do you?
Its simply explained by the power cosmic, or magic, isn't it?
Superman is not just a flying brick with fist, he has a slew of powers, and has shown them time and time again.
People think that Superman is and should be nothng more then a brick with fist, that the momment he starts energy manipulating on a grand scale and using Mystical powers such as T-vo, people call it PIS. Simply because it does not fit in with their narrow minded view of Superman as a brick with fist.
Superman is being written more and more true to what he was made to be, what he is, and what he will be, the comic hero that defines all other comic heroes.
As the idea of superman grows, some people are angered by it, in particular those who's favorite comic character is threatened by him.
Originally posted by Board Walker
your trying put logic on suprman, yet you don't try to place logic on Silver surfer or Thor do you?Its simply explained by the power cosmic, or magic, isn't it?
Superman is not just a flying brick with fist, he has a slew of powers, and has shown them time and time again.
People think that Superman is and should be nothng more then a brick with fist, that the momment he starts energy manipulaing on a grand scale and using Mystical powers such as T-vo, people call it PIS. Simply because it does not fit in with their narrow minded view of Superman as a brick with fist.
Superman is being written more and more true to what he was made to be, what he is, and what he will be, the comic hero that defines all other heroes.
What logic? I've never seen Thor nor Surfer hold a black hole together in the palm of their hands.
Well ya, magic and the power cosmic does explain it. Im still waiting for someone to explain to me how you hold a black hole together with your hand? 😕
Superman really doesn't have many powers, especially not as many as Thor or Surfer.
Superman is just a brick 😐
When did T-vo become a mystical power?
Actually Superman was made to be able to be faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, DC over the years just decided to continually add power.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
What logic? I've never seen Thor nor Surfer hold a black hole together in the palm of their hands.Well ya, magic and the power cosmic does explain it. Im still waiting for someone to explain to me how you hold a black hole together with your hand? 😕
Superman really doesn't have many powers, especially not as many as Thor or Surfer.
Superman is just a brick 😐
When did T-vo become a mystical power?
Actually Superman was made to be able to be faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, DC over the years just decided to continually add power.
The midgard serpent was wrapped around Earth and yet thor pulled it free and lifted it, going by human logic, do you know what that would have done to the earth?
Silver Surfer traveling at warpspeeds to a destination and then near instantly stoping, going by human logic this would cause energy release and destruction on a mass scale.
Logic does not apply to comics, not the same logic that humans apply to their every day lives, yet you try to staple logic onto superman to negate his showings as bad writting, yet when another character does some thing beyond the scopes of logic you accept it with open arms.
T-Vo is mystical in nature, what do you think it is? Superman warping reality with his fist?
Superman is not a brick with fist, he is a comic character with depth, and just because you dislike him or see him as a threat to your favored comic characters is no just reason to attack the idea of superman for your own personal eggocentric gain.
All characters start as some thing but they are ever changing, Silver surfer started out as being trapped on earth as a earth based hero, but look at Silver Surfer now and how he has changed and grown. Superman has also changed and grown and is doing so now, he is becoming more and more of what he wasm meant to be, a hero of all scopes and perspectives, not just as you call him "a brick with fist".
Originally posted by Board Walker
The midgard serpent was wrapped around Earth and yet thor pulled it free and lifted it, going by human logic, do you know what that would have done to the earth?Silver Surfer traveling at warpspeeds to a destination and then near instantly stoping, going by human logic this would cause energy release and destruction on a mass scale.
Logic does not apply to comics, not the same logic that humans apply to their every day lives, yet you try to staple logic onto superman to negate his showings as bad writting, yet when another character does some thing beyond the scopes of logic you accept it with open arms.
T-Vo is mystical in nature, what do you think it is? Superman warping reality with his fist?
Superman is not a brick with fist, he is a comic character with depth, and just because you dislike him or see him as a threat to your favored comic characters is no just reason to attack the idea of superman for your own personal eggocentric gain.
All characters start as some thing but they are ever changing, Silver surfer started out as being trapped on earth as a earth based hero, but look at Silver Surfer now and how he has changed and grown. Superman has also changed and grown is doing so now, he is becoming more and more of what he wasm meant to be, a hero of all scopes and perspectives, not just as you call him "a brick with fist".
What does Thor carrying the midgard serpent, and Silver Surfer going at warp speeds have to do with Superman closing a black hole with his hands?
I never used human logic, I simply asked how do you close a black hole with your hands. Considering a black hole is an area of space-time with a gravitational field, Superman shouldn't have been able to even touch it. Thor's feat wasn't as hard to perceive because the Midgard Serpent is an solid piece of matter that can be touched and felt. I was trying to figure out how you hold space, or even time for that matter? 😕
No I always though T-vo was a form of telepathy. 🙄
What does my fav character have to do with Superman?
Surfer was never an earth based hero, he is currently and was a herald of Galactus. Superman on the other hand started out with a certain base of powers, that have now been increased to the extreme.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
What does Thor carrying the midgard serpent, and Silver Surfer going at warp speeds have to do with Superman closing a black hole with his hands?I never used human logic, I simply asked how do you close a black hole with your hands. Considering a black hole is an area of space-time with a gravitational field, Superman shouldn't have been able to even touch it. Thor's feat wasn't as hard to perceive because the Midgard Serpent is an solid piece of matter that can be touched and felt. I was trying to figure out how you hold space, or even time for that matter? 😕
No I always though T-vo was a form of telepathy. 🙄
What does my fav character have to do with Superman?
Surfer was never an earth based hero, he is currently and was a herald of Galactus. Superman on the other hand started out with a certain base of powers, that have now been increased to the extreme.
It is the same as me asking How does thor lift a serpent that was wrapped around earth? He shouldn't even be able to lift it because it would shatter the earth if it moved to quickly.
It is the same as me asking, how does Thor manipulate the Odin force, it is but a source of mystical energy, he should not be able to touch it?
Superman is able to manipulate a black hole because he manipulated the gravity.
T-vo is not a form of "telepathy" as it is quite real and warps reality, it is a zen like meditation state of the kryptonians, it is mystical in nature not telepathic.
Silver surfer did start out as a Earth based hero, he started as a scientist of his home planet which Galactus came to destory, Norrin gave his life so Galactus would spare his home planet. Silver Surfer shortly after rebelled against Galactus for not wanting him to destroy the Earth, Galactus then imprisoned him there. All of silver surfers early comics were on earth, SS was in all accounts a earth based hero.
It is the same a me saying Thor was originally a earth based hero, his creation from Asgard but none the less a earth based hero.
What does your favorite character have to do with superman? Why else would you have a dislike for superman, is it because you are a fan of his character and see the current writting as worsening what he is? Because I for one see character development as good, for a character to expand and grow and not be confined to a cage.
If you are not a fan of superman, then what other reason would you psychologicaly have for disliking superman? you must in some way dislike him then because he in some way or anther crosses your perceptions or you see him as a threat to your percption in some way.
Originally posted by Board Walker
It is the same as me asking How does thor lift a serpent that was wrapped around earth? He shouldn't even be able to lift it because it would shatter the earth if it moved to quickly.It is the same as me asking, how does Thor manipulate the Odin force, it is but a source of mystical energy, he should not be able to touch it?
Superman is able to manipulate a black hole because he manipulated the gravity.
T-vo is not a form of "telepathy" as it is quite real and warps reality, it is a zen like meditation state of the kryptonians, it is mystical in nature not telepathic.
Silver surfer did start out as a Earth based hero, he started as a scientist of his home planet which Galactus came to destory, Norrin gave his life so Galactus would spare his home planet. Silver Surfer shortly after rebelled against Galactus for not wanting him to destroy the Earth, Galactus then imprisoned him there. All of silver surfers early comics were on earth, SS was in all accounts a earth based hero.
It is the same a me saying Thor was originally a earth based hero, his creation from Asgard but none the less a earth based hero.
What does your favorite character have to do with superman? Why else would you have a dislike for superman, is it because you are a fan of his character and see the current writting as worsening what he is? Because I for one see character development as good, for a character to expand and grow and not be confined to a cage.
If you are not a fan of superman, then what other reason would you psychologicaly have for disliking superman? you must in some way dislike him then because he in some way or anther crosses your perceptions or you see him as a threat to your percption in some way.
Well said. It's a bit hypocritical to whine about Superman being overpowered/exagerated when the Surfer just recently got an upgrade and a certain asgardian god became Rune King and pretty much dominated the entire marvel earth. All three should sit down and talk about who gets the most ass.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeIMO it's not the "powers" but who they fight and how willing the writers are to see them lose from time to time. Using a "new power" all the time is an excuse to get out of good writing.
Well said. It's a bit hypocritical to whine about Superman being overpowered/exagerated when the Surfer just recently got an upgrade and a certain asgardian god became Rune King and pretty much dominated the entire marvel earth. All three should sit down and talk about who gets the most ass.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeThe complaint isn't coming from just "getting new powers" it's the plot devies or ways that he just "finds a way". If he loses, he comes back and wins. We like our heroes to have the ability to face innumerable odds, but despite the comic being fictional we want an aspect of realism and a suspension of belief and accurate grounding within them. As well as consistency.
Current Supes been around for nearly 20 years if I am not mistaken and he has only developed 5 new powers and 3/4 of those powers are related to his speed or other powers. I don't see that as bad writting...now T-VO is something else I'd rather not discuss.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The complaint isn't coming from just "getting new powers" it's the plot devies or ways that he just "finds a way". If he loses, he comes back and wins. We like our heroes to have the ability to face innumerable odds, but despite the comic being fictional we want an aspect of realism and a suspension of belief and accurate grounding within them. As well as consistency.
Then what happens when GL Kyle manages to hold back a Big Bang type explosion, or when Wally West starts racing death to the end of the universe(or end of time or something like that), or when Batman constantly punks Superman and when Aquaman gives a White Martian a "seizure" with his low level telephaty? Fact of the matter is Superman is not the only character who has done the very thing you dislike.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeBut very few people do it as often as Superman does.
Then what happens when GL Kyle manages to hold back a Big Bang type explosion, or when Wally West starts racing death to the end of the universe(or end of time or something like that), or when Batman constantly punks Superman and when Aquaman gives a White Martian a "seizure" with his low level telephaty? Fact of the matter is Superman is not the only character who has done the very thing you dislike.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeYou're correct, Wolverine is another prime candidtate. GL is a plot device though.
Then what happens when GL Kyle manages to hold back a Big Bang type explosion, or when Wally West starts racing death to the end of the universe(or end of time or something like that), or when Batman constantly punks Superman and when Aquaman gives a White Martian a "seizure" with his low level telephaty? Fact of the matter is Superman is not the only character who has done the very thing you dislike.
I don't hate Superman or Wolverine, but these very reasons make debating him on the board very frustation. DC tends to have better writing than marvel in alot of ways, but they mess it up by giving characters "Wish granting" powers and other nonsense that aren't necessary to portray a believable and likeable character.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeThat only makes it worse, it just proves he does it to sate his fans who can't bear to see him lose.
Very few people are in the spotlight as much as him though.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeI think that is the point. He was Wolverine before Wolverine was wolverine. He is everywhere and he seems to always come out on top no matter what.
Very few people are in the spotlight as much as him though.
It gets boring to watch a Super fying brick always winning no matter who he is facing or their power set.
Originally posted by Board Walker
It is the same as me asking How does thor lift a serpent that was wrapped around earth? He shouldn't even be able to lift it because it would shatter the earth if it moved to quickly.It is the same as me asking, how does Thor manipulate the Odin force, it is but a source of mystical energy, he should not be able to touch it?
Superman is able to manipulate a black hole because he manipulated the gravity.
T-vo is not a form of "telepathy" as it is quite real and warps reality, it is a zen like meditation state of the kryptonians, it is mystical in nature not telepathic.
Silver surfer did start out as a Earth based hero, he started as a scientist of his home planet which Galactus came to destory, Norrin gave his life so Galactus would spare his home planet. Silver Surfer shortly after rebelled against Galactus for not wanting him to destroy the Earth, Galactus then imprisoned him there. All of silver surfers early comics were on earth, SS was in all accounts a earth based hero.
It is the same a me saying Thor was originally a earth based hero, his creation from Asgard but none the less a earth based hero.
What does your favorite character have to do with superman? Why else would you have a dislike for superman, is it because you are a fan of his character and see the current writting as worsening what he is? Because I for one see character development as good, for a character to expand and grow and not be confined to a cage.
If you are not a fan of superman, then what other reason would you psychologicaly have for disliking superman? you must in some way dislike him then because he in some way or anther crosses your perceptions or you see him as a threat to your percption in some way.
you do have apoint but you miss the point we are trying to make here i personally would have no problem with superman performing feats inside of his powerset and abilities but when i see him doing things like sealing a rift in space/time and holding a black hole with his bare hands that's when i have to raise his hands, yes all comis are just works of fiction but there is still a small level of logic being applied here i can belive superman vibraiting himself to the point of being able to phase thorugh objects because there is a rational explination of it, that's not something beyond the scope of his powers space and time manipulation is and things like that are the reasons why there are so many complaints for superman. also someone stated that he grows stronger every year fine i would have no problem with that except for one thing superman's body is like a battrey there is a maximum limit to how much power he can store unlike the hulk or other such characters his body does not mutate or adapt to contain more power so given that he should have logicly toped out years ago especially when there are issues when he sun dips to his limits and the very next year he is shown to be at his normal levels which are now higher than they were when he sun diped cause and effect i can find RKT more belive able because there is a source an expalination for his increase in power, i could belive surfer doing the time space feat more than superman doing it because he has the ability within his powerset it has nothing to do with like or dislike it has to do with not creating a frim foundation of beliveability on dc's side superman is not a general purpose hero with a power or ability for any situation but yet they constaintly show him as such without a reasonable explanition for it which is why people are turning away from superman it's not just him marvel does it too i've asked before how does the scarlet witch go from mid level reality warping ability to being able to rewrite an entire reality? she has the ability but not the level of power needed for such a feat that goes beyond the powers of a mutant marvel has not provided an reason for this if for example they were to say her powers were boosted by some outside force i would be able to belive that then because there is a reason for it but as it stands now i have only questions with no answers the same applys to superman
