Batman Begins- needed better fighting scenes

thats all that was lacking in Batman Begins. everything else was great but the fighting scenes sucked. completely incomprehensible. i mean, the one with the 4 ninjas wasnt that bad, but the beginning one in the jail cell in Bhutan and the fighting scene at the docks, were just horrible. the shots were so close up because Bruce wasnt even really hitting who he was fighting. i cant stand watching them. i wish they would go for a less realistic and brutal approach to Batmans fighting style and add more martial arts elements to it with longer scenes. like the action scenes in Blade. if they had fighting scenes like that in Batman Begins, that would be perfect. specatacular entertainment all the way through. and another thing, all the fighting scenes made Batman look rather clumsy, especially when he was fighting Ra's on the train.

what do yall think??

I will take those fighting scenes anyday of the year over the disgraceful fighting scenes that Burton used in his first film where he made Bats look like a wuss getting the crap beat out of him by just one goon-the jokers goon at the end,a guy with no special fighting skills at all.That was a diagrace to Batmans character.So I had no problems whatsoever with any of the fighting scenes in the movie.

i think they were filmed in a way where it was hard to tell what was going on. Like say if it were written in a book, it would be written from one of the 'bad guys' perspective, where the audience knows only what the 'bad guys' know. and they have no idea what is going on, except something is kicking and beating them up in a blur.

as for Ra's fight on the train, it was a struggle, i guess its hard to stand up on a train or...monorail, moving at top-speed, in a batsuit

Originally posted by Mr Parker
I will take those fighting scenes anyday of the year over the disgraceful fighting scenes that Burton used in his first film where he made Bats look like a wuss getting the crap beat out of him by just one goon-the jokers goon at the end,a guy with no special fighting skills at all.That was a diagrace to Batmans character.So I had no problems whatsoever with any of the fighting scenes in the movie.

omg i know. i hated that too, that black guy totally just made Batman his b*tch. that royally pissed me off. i mean, c'mon hes Batman hes supposed to be able to take on at least 4 goons at once and one beats him h2h??!?! gimme a break. 🙄

I know.what amazes me is the ignorance I have seen so many people display over the years saying stupid crap like-The Guy just crashed his plane,he was hurt give him a break.Thats a poor and laughable excuse because its not like he was seriously injured with a broken leg and two broken arms or something like that-now if THAT had been the case I would not have minded him getting smacked around like that.But come on,he was hardly seriously wounded,he was walking up the stairs at a brisk and quick pace which is something you could not do if you were seriously wonded like they all like to make him out to be. 🙄 Thank god for Nolan.He showed Batmans true martial arts fighting skills,how Batman is capable of beating up at least 4 or 5 guys at one time.The Batman from the comics could have easily beat that guy effortlessly blindfolded.Nice to see a director like Nolan who did his homework and understood Batmans character. 💃

very well said mr parker

i wish they would go for a less realistic and brutal approach to Batmans fighting style and add more martial arts elements to it with longer scenes

Ugh, no. Batman movies should not become martial arts films; he may be one of the greatest martial artists in the DCU, but there's a reason that he only has one recurring "martial artist villain" (and Shiva appears so rarely, I hesitate to call her recurring).

I think they were probably handled in the best way possible; he's a guy in a Bat suit beating up ninjas, and I don't see how they could have shown that clearly without turning it into a Jet Li film.

Originally posted by braz
thats all that was lacking in Batman Begins. everything else was great but the fighting scenes sucked. completely incomprehensible. i mean, the one with the 4 ninjas wasnt that bad, but the beginning one in the jail cell in Bhutan and the fighting scene at the docks, were just horrible. the shots were so close up because Bruce wasnt even really hitting who he was fighting. i cant stand watching them. i wish they would go for a less realistic and brutal approach to Batmans fighting style and add more martial arts elements to it with longer scenes. like the action scenes in Blade. if they had fighting scenes like that in Batman Begins, that would be perfect. specatacular entertainment all the way through. and another thing, all the fighting scenes made Batman look rather clumsy, especially when he was fighting Ra's on the train.

what do yall think??

I agree, but I liked the last fight with Ra. It was scrappy and brutal. Like some guy was saying, on a train you dont have much room so how the fight happened in the film is probably how it would be for real.

At the sametime I think they were trying to create some sort of a effect. Like the fight at the docks instead of seeing losts of details of him fighting lots of guys, it made batman seem like a blur of movement. Eventhough the docks fight did not show much I kinda liked it, but yes I wish the fight scenes were better.

P.S. Mr Parker. Spiderman is not the worst comic book movie ever made, Captain America is.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I agree, but I liked the last fight with Ra. It was scrappy and brutal. Like some guy was saying, on a train you dont have much room so how the fight happened in the film is probably how it would be for real.

At the sametime I think they were trying to create some sort of a effect. Like the fight at the docks instead of seeing losts of details of him fighting lots of guys, it made batman seem like a blur of movement. Eventhough the docks fight did not show much I kinda liked it, but yes I wish the fight scenes were better.

P.S. Mr Parker. Spiderman is not the worst comic book movie ever made, Captain America is.

yea i guess it would be kinda hard to stand and fight on a monorail train like they did. and it was a pretty good fight. both were takin their hits and recieving them.
and yea, i can also see what effect they were going for on the docks, to show Batmans incredible speed when hes fighting to make him look just like a blur. cuz thats most likely literally how fast you would have to move to take out that many people at once and he did it, and it was incredible. i just wish the shots werent so close up and short so u could see the whole thing happening. that wouldve been really cool 🙂

No, the film is fine as it is...no need to change anything.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
No, the film is fine as it is...no need to change anything.

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no. not so much. 'fraid not.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
No, the film is fine as it is...no need to change anything.

Yeah as far as the fight scenes go the film is fine.No question about that. So there is definetely no need to change anything as far as the fight scenes go.

meh, they were ok. real intense for sure. im just saying. they couldve been better.

Fight scenes sucked.

Could hardly tell what the hell was going on in them. Terrible camera work.

Originally posted by braz
meh, they were ok. real intense for sure. im just saying. they couldve been better.

Well maybe you'll get your wish for that in the sequal. 😉

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Well maybe you'll get your wish for that in the sequal. 😉

yea, hopefully, that would make it perfect. i dont really want them to change how it was choreographed tho, just how it was shot. the shots in Batman Begins were way too up close and short and blurry. like i said u couldnt tell what was happening really. i just want em to move the camera back some and make the scenes longer.

Originally posted by Doc Ock
Fight scenes sucked.

Could hardly tell what the hell was going on in them. Terrible camera work.

the point of the camera work, was to show how the villains have no idea what the hell is going on. cuz thats what happened. he kicked all their asses in no time and, ofcourse if that happened to me, i would be like "wtf?!" you understand? like if superman was fighting really fast, how do you show that? do you show him clearly? or is it somehwat of a blur??

by the way, how dare you. 😬

Originally posted by Silverstein
the point of the camera work, was to show how the villains have no idea what the hell is going on. cuz thats what happened. he kicked all their asses in no time and, ofcourse if that happened to me, i would be like "wtf?!" you understand?

I understand. But it still sucked.

I don't want to see what the bad guys see. I want to see the action properly. Not some half assed shoddy camera zipping all over the place, showing us random glimpses of legs, arms, capes etc flailing everywhere.

like if superman was fighting really fast, how do you show that? do you show him clearly? or is it somehwat of a blur??

Watch the Superman movies and you'll see. At least you can see what the hell he's doing.

by the way, how dare you. 😬

How dare I what??

Well, if you do dig films with spectacular fight scenes rather than story telling then by all means stick with Spiderman flicks or any other Marvel movies like FF and Xmen. Or if you want to see fight scenes in a Batman film then by all means rent Batman and Robin and case over.

other than the fact that the movies are practically all about Wolverine,storywise the first two xmen movies arent bad.and dont forget the Burton/Schumacher Batman movies in there as well if you just want spectacular fight scenes rather than good story telling.