Batman Begins- needed better fighting scenes

^the fight scenes in the Burton films were better IMO, because they were actually comprehensible but they were kinda stiffish and not real quick and realistic like the ones on BB. just alot of choreographed moves and what not. and ionno about the schumacher films, dont remember cuz i was little n now i dont feel like bothering with those for obvious reasons 😘
but honestly, id like to see both in one if possible, good story telling(great actually) with killer fight scenes, that would make the ult Batman movie and i HOPE so bad they do that with the Dark Knight, which will be phenomenal anyway with the new Joker.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Well, if you do dig films with spectacular fight scenes rather than story telling then by all means stick with Spiderman flicks or any other Marvel movies like FF and Xmen. Or if you want to see fight scenes in a Batman film then by all means rent Batman and Robin and case over.

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Yeah, heaven forbid we should get a movie with spectacular fight scenes AND good storytelling.

I liked those fight scenes in batman begins. Could be better? , yes, but it was much more close to the character than any other fight scene in the four previous crap movies. Batman is like a shadow, a misterious and sinister figure and those fast fight scenes are trying to give us that mistery sense of the character.

Now , in the sequel, batman is a stabilished character, and maybe the fight scenes will be different.

Yeh. People seem to want Jet Li or something, but it really wouldn't fit the tone of the movie.

Youre talking about the greatest super hero movie ever. Nothing needs changing in this movie. All future super hero movies should try to top this movie, which probally wont happen any way.

Originally posted by JediMasterLuke5
Youre talking about the greatest super hero movie ever. Nothing needs changing in this movie. All future super hero movies should try to top this movie, which probally wont happen any way.

very true, it is the greatest. and im not saying the movie sucked just cuz of the fight scenes, i still thought the movie was absolutely phenomenal. and i actually liked the scenes in a certain way, because like that one guy said, Batman is mysterious and in the comics hes been known to move so quick that he can disarm multiple men with guns just through his quickness alone, and i think Batman Begins really tried to stay loyal to that and by having quick fighting scenes it really flexes Batmans true physical prowess that was lacking in the first four films. like i said, i just wish they were a little more comprehensible. but hey, i guess u cant always get what ya want. 😬

The fight scenes are terrible, choppy, and just pointless for a Batman movie. Why put them in if they are that bad?

Martial arts and his agility is his main weapon when disarming and taking out criminals. If we just get the camera zoomed in and chopping fight scenes into a kind of blurry blackness then how are meant to see what he can do? Staged fights can still be done with elements of realism, there's no need for this cloak and dagger stealth action- it's just boring.

Ditto.

Originally posted by Doc Ock
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Yeah, heaven forbid we should get a movie with spectacular fight scenes AND good storytelling.

Which neither the Schumacher Batman films and Spiderman franchise even had.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Which neither the Schumacher Batman films and Spiderman franchise even had.

Burtons versions also.

The bad fighting in all the films is mainly the fault of the costume... I mean in the comics we are led to believe he wears something flexible but strong-in the movies its movement -restricting rubber which I guess looks dark and brooding but actually not the best material to work with when considering what the character does.I don't think any actor could wear what they wear and execute a perfect kick or an agile movement.

In the Spider-Man film he had the movement because of the flexibility of the costume he just didn't do anything interesting with it.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
The bad fighting in all the films is mainly the fault of the costume... I mean in the comics we are led to believe he wears something flexible but strong-in the movies its movement -restricting rubber which I guess looks dark and brooding but actually not the best material to work with when considering what the character does.I don't think any actor could wear what they wear and execute a perfect kick or an agile movement.

Booyah. Batman cant' move... that's why all the shots were close up and quick flashes of short simple movements... it works because sometimes Batman needs to fight like that, but ALL the time? No, my friends, it seems Hollywood is incapable of making armored-looking material that allows the actor to move convincingly, and all of Batman's "agility" likes in camera tricks.

That's fine for some, but in persuit of the perfect movie, we need to admit that Batman Begins had lacking fight scenes. It would behoove the costumers to improve their processes and loosen up the joints as well as use lighter materials that would allow at least stuntman to do a convincing sidestep or reversal... "less is more" got worn out at the dock scene, imho.

The idea that we will NEVER see Batman give anyone a combo or do a convincing kick... heck, even a knee... that's kinda sad, and it IS a limitation of the great Begins franchise.

Originally posted by Hypester
Booyah. Batman cant' move... that's why all the shots were close up and quick flashes of short simple movements... it works because sometimes Batman needs to fight like that, but ALL the time? No, my friends, it seems Hollywood is incapable of making armored-looking material that allows the actor to move convincingly, and all of Batman's "agility" likes in camera tricks.

That's fine for some, but in persuit of the perfect movie, we need to admit that Batman Begins had lacking fight scenes. It would behoove the costumers to improve their processes and loosen up the joints as well as use lighter materials that would allow at least stuntman to do a convincing sidestep or reversal... "less is more" got worn out at the dock scene, imho.

The idea that we will NEVER see Batman give anyone a combo or do a convincing kick... heck, even a knee... that's kinda sad, and it IS a limitation of the great Begins franchise.

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i just hope Nolan takes a different approach on the fighting scenes in this next one, cuz he said in Begins that he wanted a more brutal kind of fighting w/o eastern style moves saying it was 'dancelike' which is all what we wanna see, i mean thats entertaining. we dont wanna see a quarter second flash of a right hook and then two other guys falling on the ground for some reason u cant tell because of the camera view. we want agile moves, some Blade action, action scenes like THAT. exactly. i loved the fight scenes on Blade.

Originally posted by braz
👆 indeed

i just hope Nolan takes a different approach on the fighting scenes in this next one, cuz he said in Begins that he wanted a more brutal kind of fighting w/o eastern style moves saying it was 'dancelike' which is all what we wanna see, i mean thats entertaining. we dont wanna see a quarter second flash of a right hook and then two other guys falling on the ground for some reason u cant tell because of the camera view. we want agile moves, some Blade action, action scenes like THAT. exactly. i loved the fight scenes on Blade.

I feel you, but I wouldn't even need to go that far... if we could see the process of Bruce's brutal non-dancelike fighting, then that'd be cool too. But as is we have short one-second flashes and non-sequitor beat em ups... like a comic book, not like live action. We should be having to connect the dots for EVERY single costumed fighting scene in begins... they should all be as clear and decipherable as the first one in the prison. Yes it was brutal and short, but you knew exactly who was getting hit and with what... that kind of camera work and editing should be used for all fight scenes...

But it requires a costume that allows at least the stuntman to move. Make it so.

Originally posted by Hypester
I feel you, but I wouldn't even need to go that far... if we could see the process of Bruce's brutal non-dancelike fighting, then that'd be cool too. But as is we have short one-second flashes and non-sequitor beat em ups... like a comic book, not like live action. We should be having to connect the dots for EVERY single costumed fighting scene in begins... they should all be as clear and decipherable as the first one in the prison. Yes it was brutal and short, but you knew exactly who was getting hit and with what... that kind of camera work and editing should be used for all fight scenes...

But it requires a costume that allows at least the stuntman to move. Make it so.

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I agree that Batman Begins needed better fighting scenes. Yes the concept was that when Batman strikes it was to be shown exactly as how the bad guys see it, but it made the action suffer by doing so. Way too quick cut scenes that were zoomed in too close IMO.

Probably the best example of how it was done right was in Batman Returns. His fights with the Penguin's gang, his fights with Catwoman, all of them were the best representation of how it can look plausible while still maintaining some good comic-book action kind of feel.

I like the idea that Batman was able to kick the crap out of the ninja's so easily. We know how cool it was to see Bruce Wayne in action, when Lady Shiva bought him back from the "dead," in 94. Its hard to say whether the fighting technique, in Batman Begins, was carp, beacuse it was soooo poorly filmed. I watched the second Batman Begins DVD, and I have to hand it to the invention of a new style. In fact it looks great. The idea of adaption to style, and fighting so unorthidox. Kind reminds me of Bruce Lee's philosphy on Jeet Kune Do. However, as far as screen apearance, the fight sceens really looked crapish. Its its such a shame, because the rest of the flick was good. Didn't like that Ras Al Ghul was Bruce Waynes Teacher though, but I guess you can't win'em all.

BB had great fight scenes. Which were enough to satiate my appetite. My sources tell me that The Dark Knight will have pretty of action and fight scenes.