Originally posted by StyleTime
Did I say that? In fact, I gave Taki the nod in experience, for all the good it'll do her.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Here we go again Sandai. The character you're defending has no win record, so you downplay the opponent's victories. .
First of all Taki does have victories and second I'm not downplaying anything. Your so hyperfocused on using A>B>C logic to support Ayane in this debate, and that's the bulk of what your saying. That sort of logic does not prove jack, so stop using it.
Originally posted by StyleTime
It's not like I simply stated "Ayane beats Kasumi sho she wins". I added her victories to the fact that Ayane holds the most advantages in this fight to say she wins. Those fights just help show that Ayane can deal with what Taki is bringing to the table. Stop acting like it was the center of my argument.
It is the center of your argument, you didn't really mention how Ayane would cope against Taki's blade. Instead, you brought Kasumi and Genra to try to make it seem that she has fought skilled opponents with weapons before she could cope. So, when did she fight Kasumi with a blade and what Skill did Genra display wth a blade spinning his saber like a helicopter?
Originally posted by StyleTime
I asked for feats that said she can beat Ayane. I'm still getting none.
Because your ignoring them, They were stated by DZ , GG, and myself.
Originally posted by StyleTimeStrength: Fair enough. I didn't bring all of Ayane's abilities up because I don't think she needs them, but Ayane is stronger all around. If you recall, Ayane is able to throw her kunai through concrete/brick/etc walls in Ninja Gaiden. Considering the fact that she always throws it directly in front of Hayabusa without hitting him, she also has insane accuracy. She's stronger than Taki.
Durability: All of those happened in cutscenes my friend.
Speed: Settled.
Ninpo: Never claimed otherwise. Just stating what they were.
It means she can actualy deal with Taki's assests considering she's [b]dealt with them before
You only moan about this when your character has no counter for it.
Same. [/B]
Strength: Taki's capable of knocking down an armored opponent with a sweep and a round house. You believe throwing Kunai makes her stronger.
Durbality: She did not take a blast from Genra, and She did not fall from the Tri-Towers. Form a better argument that shows what she can do.
No, I call you out because you debate with Bullshit methods and resort to stealth fanboyism.
Originally posted by StyleTimeYes, multiple people have. You're accusing me of whining? Do you even realize you just revived multiple threads containing Ayane JUST so you could express your newfound disdain for her?
What threads did I bump beside Chun-li vs Ayane recently, and when did I bash her in said threads? No one mentioned Ayane being anything in this thread, but you decide that she was being underrated because a divergence of opinion. Stop whining, mane.
Originally posted by StyleTimeAs for the landscpape, that was clearly a mountain my friend. You can play on the level and see that. Genra incinerated [b]all
of it including where Ayane was. Either she is now resistant to fire/heat or she took a blast. Your call.[/B]
Neither, there was no blast and Ayane did not display any resistance to fire. The area was just a blaze and nowhere did we see her on fire.
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
That wasn' the point, your making it seem that since Ayane somehow has defeated characters that are "More experienced than Taki" Then taki's experience will not really matter. Which is why you brought Kasumi and Genra up.First of all Taki does have victories and second I'm not downplaying anything. Your so hyperfocused on using A>B>C logic to support Ayane in this debate, and that's the bulk of what your saying. That sort of logic does not prove jack, so stop using it.
It is the center of your argument, you didn't really mention how Ayane would cope against Taki's blade. Instead, you brought Kasumi and Genra to try to make it seem that she has fought skilled opponents with weapons before she could cope. So, when did she fight Kasumi with a blade and what Skill did Genra display wth a blade spinning his saber like a helicopter?
Because your ignoring them, They were stated by DZ , GG, and myself.
You are downplaying. I've already said it's not the bulk of anything. I added Ayane's previous over opponents with similar or better attributes to Ayane's already greater advantages to say she wins. Again, I didn't just say Ayane>Kasumi>Taki.
She'd cope with it via countering, teleporting, or just blocking with a kunai. She' stronger than Taki so blocking shouldn't be much of an issue. I didn't bring Kasumi up for weapons anyway.
No, I've acknowledged them. I've also pointed out why they won't help Taki win. You all are ignoring things, not me.
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Strength: Taki's capable of knocking down an armored opponent with a sweep and a round house. You believe throwing Kunai makes her stronger.Durbality: She did not take a blast from Genra, and She did not fall from the Tri-Towers. Form a better argument that shows what she can do.
No, I call you out because you debate with Bullshit methods and resort to stealth fanboyism.
What threads did I bump beside Chun-li vs Ayane recently, and when did I bash her in said threads? No one mentioned Ayane being anything in this thread, but you decide that she was being underrated because a divergence of opinion. Stop whining, mane.
You're right. She leapt from the Tri Towers, so she didn't fall. If she didn't take a blast, then she resisted fire.
Again, you always just proclaim A>B>C when the other character has legitimate victories that actually help his or her case. Stealth fanboyism? Me arguing Ayane, who has the feats to back her up, against Taki is stealth fanboyism? No, me arguing Ayane against Bison or Akuma would be fanboyism. You are being affected by your own displeasure with Ayane's status on the boards. It's not fanboyism on my part.
Originally posted by Sandai Kitetsu
Neither, there was no blast and Ayane did not display any resistance to fire. The area was just a blaze and nowhere did we see her on fire.
P.S. Could we keep the replies to one post? It sucks having to quote multiple things when I am replying to one person.
Originally posted by StyleTime
I brought it up to show that Ayane can deal with superior experience. I don't see why Ayane's experience dealing with experienced opponents should be discounted.
Did I say it should be discounted? Your giving it way more worth than it actually has, mane. We do not know how said fights went down so what are we gain from using them as the basis for a debate? Your basically saying that since Ayane beat Kasumi Taki's experience should not be a problem. Problem is overcoming an advantage in a prior fight does not change an adavantage in this fight.
Originally posted by StyleTime
You are downplaying. I've already said it's not the bulk of anything. I added Ayane's previous over opponents with similar or better attributes to Ayane's already greater advantages to say she wins. Again, I didn't just say Ayane>Kasumi>Taki.
Right, which is why you had to claim that:
Originally posted by StyleTime
Kasumi can do most anything Taki can do AND on a higher level.
Originally posted by StyleTime
She'd cope with it via countering, teleporting, or just blocking with a kunai. She' stronger than Taki so blocking shouldn't be much of an issue. I didn't bring Kasumi up for weapons anyway.
She's not physically stronger than Taki just because she can throw a Kunai, my Dude. Why did you bring Kasumi then, to show that Ayane can fight a "more experienced opponent" just to refute Taki's experience? Too bad that Ayane is not Kasumi.
Originally posted by StyleTime
No, I've acknowledged them. I've also pointed out why they won't help Taki win. You all are ignoring things, not me.
No ones ignoring anything, your just exaggerating just to debate.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Before I address this, I need to be sure we're thinking of the same scene. Is this her vs Voldo?You're right. She [B]leapt
from the Tri Towers, so she didn't fall. If she didn't take a blast, then she resisted fire. [/B]
Yeah, it's the Voldo fight and we do not know where she leapt from because she just appeared from the luanch pad with hayate. She was not on fire at all. Genra just set the area a balze, being on fire and near a fire are to different things.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Again, you always just proclaim A>B>C when the other character has legitimate victories that actually help his or her case.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Stealth fanboyism? Me arguing Ayane, who has the feats to back her up, against Taki is stealth fanboyism? No, me arguing Ayane against Bison or Akuma would be fanboyism. You are being affected by your own displeasure with Ayane's status on the boards. It's not fanboyism on my part.
Fanboyism is more than just debating against power houses, it's over hyping your favorite characters ability as well. Like when you claimed Ayane took moutain side leveling blast in one thread.
I do not have any displeasure with ayane and this is about the way you debate. Ayane is irrelevant because you did this before in the Hitomi Vs Asuka thread. Maybe I was wrong to call you a fanboy, But, your really debating from an illogical stand point.
Originally posted by StyleTime
The very ground Ayane stood on was also incinerated. How do you propose that Genra affected literally [B]everything except Ayane?[/B]
It did not affect everything, she was not on fire you can clearly see this.
How exactly would the ground below her feet be burnt, trees were destroyed etc and yet it did not affect everything? It's confusing as it is, but I think she actually showed a degree of durability there. However you have your opinion.
You commented how Taki's strength is superior to Ayane because she can take down an armored opponent with a sweep and a roundhouse? Ayane can do the same to Genra, dude.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
How exactly would the ground below her feet be burnt, trees were destroyed etc and yet it did not affect everything? It's confusing as it is, but I think she actually showed a degree of durability there. However you have your opinion.
Have you ever been on fire before? Are you aware that being emmersed in a flame is not the same as being near one. Was Ayane on fire during said cutscene? If you actually looks at the scene and the arena we clearly see that camera is simply behind the flames. She's not on fire.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
You commented how Taki's strength is superior to Ayane because she can take down an armored opponent with a sweep and a roundhouse? Ayane can do the same to Genra, dude.
I didn't say Taki has superior strength to ayane and Show me Ayane Sweeping Genra in a cutscene.
I haven't been in a fire, thank god. Wouldn't want to be in one ever. She's standing there. She doesn't move at all, and everything burns. Even the ground below her feet. If the ground below her feet is burnt then there was obviously fire burning it, no? Meh. Whatever.
You know there is no cut-scene with Ayane sweeping Genra, but she can do it in gameplay, and I already told you why I believed Ayane had to melee Genra for the win. However you're going to throw that out of the window, so I won't bother arguing about it.
Burning and getting shot are 2 very different things V2D.
Besides my reply was to this:
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Oh yeah, Ayane can take mountain melting heat, but she gets cut by bullets. 🙄
Not the same thing at all. Get it now?
Besides then you say it is really the same thing; eventhough Ayane was actually hit with the bullet, and was not with the flame.
You have actually posted an oxymoron. durlaugh
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I haven't been in a fire, thank god. Wouldn't want to be in one ever. She's standing there. She doesn't move at all, and everything burns. Even the ground below her feet. If the ground below her feet is burnt then there was obviously fire burning it, no? Meh. Whatever.
And, when the scene ends we clearly see that the fire is around the two. Your taking it too litterallly.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
You know there is no cut-scene with Ayane sweeping Genra, but she can do it in gameplay, and I already told you why I believed Ayane had to melee Genra for the win. However you're going to throw that out of the window, so I won't bother arguing about it.
And, Dan can beat Akuma in gameplay, what's your point? Gameplay doesn't dictate flow of events nor does it differentiate between individual stats or highlight them properly.