Originally posted by manjaro
i agree tthat magento is closer to omega than she is, not mention Exodus, but still i dont see what the big deal is, if storm is a possible omega i dont see that as the end of the world. given all the awesome things we've seen her do, like use electricity to mimic magneto's power..i even remeber in xtreme xmen where she created a new uniform out of ionized particles from the air with a bolt of lightning. that may not be X-man or Mr. M lvl of matter rearrangemnt but, thats stil impressive to me.. Also Elixir and Mr. Immortal are confirmed omega lvl mutants, and i havent seen them do anything to knock my socks off that validates thier omega-ness..i dont think they even deserve it😄, but im rooting for storm
Mr. Immortal isn't a confirmed Omega. I don't think he should be one, either. The only power he has is he doesn't die.
Elixir can manipulate organic matter at will. He's an Omega based on his potential. Hell, Vulcan is an Omega based on his potential also. He hasn't done anything too spectacular so far that should classify him being Omega.
Alternate and non-616 Most Powerful:
Franklin
Hyperstorm
Gambit
Most Powerful in the 616:
Apocalypse
He has the techno-organic virus that kept Cable from becoming God-like Cable and that's what keeps burning out his body. Let's look at Apocalypse's power right now with the TO-Virus.
Powers
Apocalypse's full extent of powers remain to be revealed, especially to the extent of which powers have since been augmented by alien technology. Apocalypse claims to have control of his body on the molecular level-- allowing him to shape change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and to be virtually immune to the effects of age. Apocalypse can also increase his strength to levels surpassing that of the Hulk, grow to giant sizes, and gain the power of flight, sometimes through turning his arms into wings or jets. Apocalypse can also transform himself into a variety of human disguises.
He has exhibited energy absorbing and projecting abilities in the past. Apocalypse has been termed an "External," due to his mutant ability of immortality. Briefly, Apocalypse has shown potential to be a powerful psionic.
It has further been hinted that Apocalypse's body is ravaged by a techno-organic disease. Many of his regenerated bodies must use an exoskeleton body armor to prevent his energies from consuming him. Apocalypse can apparently merge/switch host bodies to continually revive his self-consuming body.
Now let's remove that ravaging limiting techno-organic virus and replace it with some benign TO-tissue as Cable had done and we have Apocalypse with all that multipled by 10.
Originally posted by batdude123
Magneto>>>>StormEnd.
you can't really prove that. magneto is a confirmed alpha, storm is a slightly confirmed omega. besides, every time they have fought, magneto has admitted that she could easily defeat him but always holds back for fear of what her powers could do.
Originally posted by stormfront13
you can't really prove that. magneto is a confirmed alpha, storm is a slightly confirmed omega. besides, every time they have fought, magneto has admitted that she could easily defeat him but always holds back for fear of what her powers could do.
You're description on how their fights have been are completely biased and flawed to say the least.
He's admired her for her courage when she goes up against him. Specifically because they both know she's no match for him.
Magneto>>>>Storm
I really don't care whether she's 'confirmed' (which she definitely IS NOT) or 'speculated' or anything else having to do with an Omega-level mutant. Her feats are inferior to his. He has more potential for being an Omega than she does. Hmm... controlling weather or having complete control over ELECTROMAGNETIC ENERGY which is one of the four fundamental forces OF THE UNIVERSE.
Everytime they've fought, Magneto has owned her. She's staggered him once when she did her little wind gusts, but he didn't have his shields up at all.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Mr. Immortal isn't a confirmed Omega. I don't think he should be one, either. The only power he has is he doesn't die..
yes he is. check Wiki--[omega level mutants] it provides a list pf all confirmed omegas and the source, meaning issue #, it says that mr. immortal was confirmed by marvel editors, in an interview done by IGN of those said editors...IGN even has a link to a nice article...
for the record i do believe that magento should be an omega, moresp for exodus, but i still dont get why ppl have such resentment for storm possibly being one. Elixir gets a "get out of jail free" card just cuz he's young, and hasnt reached his potential, which i understand but tho storm is an adult i dont believe she has reached her potential.
cuz look at magneto, its only recently he's been brave enuff to start experimenting with wormholes. if he says f **** he can cuase some some serious damage.. what it boils down to is the age old rule of thumb for characters who can manipulate energy..they put a mental block on themselves for fear of burning out, the same way how in the recent new xmen, emma unlocked the part of hellion's brain that controls his powers so that he could bring x-23 back at the institute flying at mach speeds.
storm is no different, she manipulates energy too, just in a different way. the story arc "world's end" was a prime example of what storm could do if she unleashes her full power without regard for all life. as you might remeber the saurians tried to use storm to create a new ice age, and they had a seriously mind controlled rachel have her create a hyperstorm that was easily the size of a continent spreading across the globe. threatening to destroy everything, so if she breaks down those subconscious barriers there would be no limit to what she would be able to do, not just with weather but with electricty as well, so i still think she'a viable candidate for omega status
Originally posted by manjaro
yes he is. check Wiki--[omega level mutants] it provides a list pf all confirmed omegas and the source, meaning issue #, it says that mr. immortal was confirmed by marvel editors, in an interview done by IGN of those said editors...IGN even has a link to a nice article...
First, Wikipedia isn't the best place for accurate info in the first place. 2nd, every other Omega mutant has an actual comic book that classifies them as Omega except for Mr. Immortal. So, until it states it on panel in a comic, Mr. Immortal isn't Omega.
Also, in the IGN article, where does it state that he is an Omega mutant per the Marvel editors?
A few characters have been said to be "beyond Omega." It's total crap and not worth any value to canon because there is no "beyond" Omega. Omega is it. And Omega only classified potential of powers.
This whole debate is kinda sad because Franklin is noted b the Celestials themselves as the strongest..... You can't argue that. Hyperstorm is a small exception because he's from another timeline. And again, Apocalypse just needs his TO-virus removed and I would bet solidly he's at #2. A weak-ass Cabel started reaching his potential and I would definitely say what Apocalypse has shown is above anything less-than full potential Cable could ever dream of. So, if they ever let Apocalypse reach his full potential, which may in fact be nigh-limitless, he is definitely gonna kick some ass.
Exactly. This is how it goes down.
Apocalypse infected a young Cable (son of Cyclopse and Madelyne Pryer) with a techno-organic virus. This son was supposed to be Sinister's ultimate bid to defeat Apocalypse and so, Apocalypse gave the kid the TO-Virus and it effectively kept him from reaching the potential where he could defeat Apocalypse. However, we learned later that Cable went back in time as "The Traveler" and fought Apocalypse. Their blood mixed and thus, Cable accidentally gave Apocalypse the virus that would both allow Apocalypse to use the Celestial craft "Ship" and then, centuries later, infect young Cable with that same virus.
Now, all future timelines and The Twelve series point to Apocalypse needing to constantly change bodies because they can not contain his energies. This makes sense because the techno-organic virus is ravaging those bodies and suppressing his powers and energies. As an External who was immortal and lived for centuries without aging long before he found the Celestial technology, he was constantly getting more powerful. See? He should not have problems with needing new bodies. But we can safely conclude that thanks to Cable giving him that virus, he can not fully control or use his raw mutant power to its full extent. Just as Cable could not. However, look at where people rank God-like Cable. In the top 5 most powerful mutants. No one would ever dream of putting regular Cable before this high up. Yet, Apocalypse is already on that level WITH the virus limiting his power.
If he had it removed....the potential is, I feel safe to say, pretty much limitless.
Originally posted by stormfront13
exodus, your completley missing the point. every kmutant that has ever been stated as "possible" omega, has always turned out to be an actual omega. the same can be said for this situation.
Umm name one...who else has been cited as a Potential Omega other then Chamber and Storm? And could you give me the issue number of this quote you keep using for Elixir? Which issue?
Because in Elixirs first appearance he was cited as one twice....his powers were explained by Beast and this was touched on by Dani....then in NXM Academy Issue #1 his file confirmed his Omeganess...so nope the same does not apply here...
As Chamber is not an Omega mutant...either....
2 (3 if you give me the issue number with Elixir mutants) have been cited as possible Omegas so far...and only 1(If your Elixir thing is correct) has been confirmed....so that doesn't prove anything....where did are you getting this from?
every kmutant that has ever been stated as "possible" omega, has always turned out to be an actual omega.
Chamber is the only other possible Omega I recall and he hasn't been revealed as one...so until Storm is cited as an OMEGA LEVEL MUTANT(Without the possible)...then she's not one....because as I said before the term Omega Mutant is an X-verse word...so chances are until she returns to the X-verse, this little bold incident won't be resolved...
Possible Omega does not equate to Omega especially when there was no mention in the 198 files...and the Sentinels are run by humans now....they were speculating....after they speculated...Stark uploaded Storms and Tchalla's files....so what this means is that the speculation occured without any facts to back it up with..in any event she's not one until cited as one...which she hasn't been...