My Rant On The 3 Story Arcs That Screwed Up The Force

Originally posted by starwarsfreak34
mmm.... now that would be interesting. Criminal organisations like Black Sun would make a nice change of direction - for books and games. Though they did try this with the expansion for Empire at War - and though i havnt got it, my mate says its not all that good.

Crime Lords duking it out with the Empire and the Alliance? It's a bit over the top, only people that I think ate it up were all the Mandalorian kiddies.

If they made a new film, I'd want a Film Noir thriller about a Smuggler on coruscant, and the Bounty Hunter that's after him, that'd make a nice change.

With the next generation of games they are bringing out I reckon they need to include one, just for me, little Exanda Kane. They've taken Spice away from me in SWG because that's "unwholesome" for the target audience, and little Exanda Kane wants something illegal to do in the Star Wars universe.

Originally posted by exanda kane
Crime Lords duking it out with the Empire and the Alliance? It's a bit over the top, only people that I think ate it up were all the Mandalorian kiddies.

If they made a new film, I'd want a Film Noir thriller about a Smuggler on coruscant, and the Bounty Hunter that's after him, that'd make a nice change.

With the next generation of games they are bringing out I reckon they need to include one, just for me, little Exanda Kane. They've taken Spice away from me in SWG because that's "unwholesome" for the target audience, and little Exanda Kane wants something illegal to do in the Star Wars universe.

😆 😆 lol - yes that sounds like fun. (and did they actually have spice in SWG?)

i like this - but i'm a bit of a perfectionist and so my ideal game would be:

1) First and foremost set during the NJO arc,
2) Allow the player to experience ALL sides of the war, from the Yuuzahn Vong, the Peace Brigade, to the Underworld, Jedi and the NR/GA (including common soldiers like in Battlefront)
3) Follow the general story plot, but allow the player to do certain things that would alter other aspects.
4) Have game play a mixture of 1st/3rd person combat, including in space battles, AND the strategic playing field of EaW.

Really, it would be a cross between KotOR, EaW, Battlefront, Jedi Outcast and Rogue Squardon, where you would get to play out things like the Myrkr strike mission as a party of 12 characters (the Jedi on the mission) who have their own strengths and weaknesses, and like KotOR you can have a team of 3/4 at one time - but each character would be controlled like in Jedi Outcast (none of that rubbishy 'queing for attacks' system). You would also get to participated in the great space battles, including the battle for coruscant (in the modes of 1st person pilot and whole battle aspect like in EaW), and then direct the course of the war in galactic conquest and EaW build and conquer type modes.

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we can but dream, i suppose 😛

I don't understand your problems with KotOR II. Nihilus can destroy a planet, so what, we're talking about THE FORCE. As Vader said it's much more powerful than some superweapon. And Sion can regenerate using THE FORCE so what. It's not like their powers are common as Force Lightning. They gained their powers at the Trayus Academy which afects everyone diferently.

Yes, but Vader had to explain it was more powerful precisely in the context that it CANNOT destroy a planet. It's more powerful in far less juvenile ways than that. 'The Force' is not a magic word to explain everything and do anything.

Well Nihilus doesn't really destroy planets what he does is more like a big Force Drain.

Originally posted by the_satan32
Well Nihilus doesn't really destroy planets what he does is more like a big Force Drain.

Now explain Force Drain?

If you can do it without referring to a computer game, computer game related character or in fact structuring an answer relating to any kind of methology stemming from a video game, you can have a cookie.

As much as The Force can be used heal the reverse is possible. It can be used to boaster the will be of others and can be used to drain their will to fight. Basicly it drains their life essence.

Originally posted by the_satan32
Well Nihilus doesn't really destroy planets what he does is more like a big Force Drain.

Same principle, and so in the same way cannot be done.

I do really enjoy threads like these, it goes to show the divisions in fan's opinions, those who are more interested in the characters and those that are more interested in the narratives.

I'd also like to add that I, Jedi and other Corran Horn related stories seem to throw things like telekinesis around far too easily.

^^^good point about I, Jedi. though, isnt the point that Corran CAN'T use telekinesis... 😄

That's not my point however, more the fact that ot exists. It's not the force, it's just plain supernatural, like that thing the Kiffar have to read objects.

But isnt the Force meant to be some supernatural thing? Thats the only way it makes sense to me, because the question then becomes: Well, WTF is it? I mean, in the film it's described as a 'mystical energy field' - to me, mystical=magical=supernatural and all things that come between.

Yes, there's "the Force", but it doesn't have to be explained; it's "the Force", something mysterious and noble in a pretty gritty, grounded sci-fi world, a "wretched hive of scum and villainy" full of shady people just "trying to make there way in the galaxy".

Adding other supernatural things outside the bounds of "the Force" defeats and lowers the mystique of the Force and its significance in the Star Wars universe, where it really shouldn't.

Originally posted by exanda kane
Yes, there's "the Force", but it doesn't have to be explained; it's "the Force", something mysterious and noble in a pretty gritty, grounded sci-fi world, a "wretched hive of scum and villainy" full of shady people just "trying to make there way in the galaxy".

Adding other supernatural things outside the bounds of "the Force" defeats and lowers the mystique of the Force and its significance in the Star Wars universe, where it really shouldn't.

but who says some of the things the Jedi can do with the Force now are outside the bounds of the Force? Who puts these boundaries in place? Are you saying that all we saw of the Force in the films is all it can and should possibly amount to? As Ive said, there was a limit as to how much GL could do with the Force for the films, technological limits and time limits, in terms of plot.

By limiting the Force to what you see in the films, you're limiting your enjoyment of the stories in the SWEU. I enjoy the books no matter what, even if a lot of the ideas (KotOR II) are way OTT and a load of bull. Even if there is yet ANOTHER superweapon, i enjoy it because it's Star Wars - and to me, the possibilities are endless. Thats the beauty of a make-believe world

Lazy and unimaginative plots and plot devices do not cease to be lazy and unimaginative just because they are in a make-believe world.

Originally posted by starwarsfreak34
but who says some of the things the Jedi can do with the Force now are outside the bounds of the Force? Who puts these boundaries in place? Are you saying that all we saw of the Force in the films is all it can and should possibly amount to? As Ive said, there was a limit as to how much GL could do with the Force for the films, technological limits and time limits, in terms of plot.

By limiting the Force to what you see in the films, you're limiting your enjoyment of the stories in the SWEU. I enjoy the books no matter what, even if a lot of the ideas (KotOR II) are way OTT and a load of bull. Even if there is yet ANOTHER superweapon, i enjoy it because it's Star Wars - and to me, the possibilities are endless. Thats the beauty of a make-believe world

I don't enjoy it, even if it is Star Wars, difference of opinion.

You know what could be a good idea for a mini series? Featurettes on daily life on Coruscant. From the top of the Palace/Senate district to the depths of the shady underworld. One week could show the trials of a corrupt politcian, the next a slicer selling secrets or a slick sabaac player enjoying the life of the party. It could serve the same purpose that tales from the New Republic, or tales from Mos Eisley books served.

The unknown is always induced so much curiousity, and the city-planet of Coruscant holds plenty of it. Especially the old, lower depths of the planet. It always intrigued me whenever the books made mention of it, and I particularly noticed this when I saw Anakin freefalling during the chase of Zam Wessell. The camera angle was right above him showing the lit surface of the city below, and I thought "there could be so much potential with just Coruscant".

Originally posted by Darth Scythe
Thats bordering on an ignorant statement. How would one know beforehand if an book is good or not. One of the first phrases most people remember is "don't judge a book by its cover". I can't speak for everyone, but if you spend money on a book of a franchise you've been following for most of your life and begin reading it then why not finish it?

Would you go to your favorites sports teams game and leave in the middle of it just because your team started losing? If so than what does that say about ones character?

Alright, I think you misunderstood my statement.

Of course you're usually not going to know if a book is good or not before starting it. But, NJO, for example, has a notorious reputation for overpowering characters and so forth. Therefore, if a Star Wars fan were to consider reading the series, they should know what they're getting into and be prepared to not like certain aspects (or all) of it.

Also; nobody is forcing you to read these things that you hate. If you're in the middle of a book and you realize that you think it's pure shit, then by all means, just set it down and stop reading.

And your sports analogy doesn't really work. 😉

Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Alright, I think you misunderstood my statement.

Of course you're usually not going to know if a book is good or not before starting it. But, NJO, for example, has a notorious reputation for overpowering characters and so forth. Therefore, if a Star Wars fan were to consider reading the series, they should know what they're getting into and be prepared to not like certain aspects (or all) of it.

Also; nobody is forcing you to read these things that you hate. If you're in the middle of a book and you realize that you think it's pure shit, then by all means, just set it down and stop reading.

And your sports analogy doesn't really work. 😉

I don't 'set it down and stop reading', especially if I've paid for it. It doesn't work like that b. At least not for me, once I start something I must finish it.

Maybe you're not familiar with that trait in your personal character.

My sports analogy is full-proof. End of story.

The thing that made my blood boil about the NJO was 1) its crappy force stuff and 2)... HOW DARE THEY KILL CHEWBACCA