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Why are all fundamentalists the same?

They are not.

Originally posted by FeceMan
They did not know that Lucifer had malicious intent, but they would have known not to disobey God.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Even if they had not known, they were content to obey. But then Satan came along...

Originally posted by FeceMan
Notice that, up until the point when Eve was deceived--oh, my, a partial rhyme--she did not yet know that the tree was "good for food," "pleasant to the eyes," and "a tree to be desired to make one wise."

They were drawn to the allure of power, to be "as gods."

Diminished capacity and entrapment.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Why are all fundamentalists the same?

That is the appropriate reply for insinuating that I am a fundamentalist.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Based on their lack of knowledge of right and wrong?And which supposedly omniscient god purportedly created the bearer of light?

And, yes, God did know what would happen with Satan, but He did not stop him.

It doesn't matter their motive; they know nothing of good and evil, nothing of right and wrong. Therefore to categorize certain actions as wrong or right, without giving others the knowledge of how things are divided into those categories; and to punish those actions one deems wrong, when one should have full knowledge of the outcome, is simply hypocritical and illogical.

Diminished capacity and entrapment.

Oh come now, everyone loves Catherine Zeta Jones. She's a better use of space than "KK" "Kthx" spam in lieu of actual rebuttal.

If they did know that it was wrong, then surely they would not need to eat from the tree in the first place?

Unless you're saying that lacking all knowledge of good and bad, they still had knowledge that eating from the tree was bad and/or should have been expected to know that eating from the tree was bad.

I know. But what exactly was the point of that lovely verse? Are you saying Lucifer gave her awareness? Increased her perceptions? I.e. shifting the "blame."

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Oh come now, everyone loves Catherine Zeta Jones. She's a better use of space than "KK" "Kthx" spam in lieu of actual rebuttal.

If they did know that it was wrong, then surely they would not need to eat from the tree in the first place?

I know. But what exactly was the point of that lovely verse? Are you saying Lucifer gave her awareness? Increased her perceptions? I.e. shifting the "blame."

Sean Connery's the absolute sh*t.

😎

Indeed Digi. Indeed.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I find the use of "kk" and "kthx" appropriate when responding to a large degree of idiocy. It prevents me from getting a headache by formulating an appropriate response.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Like children, they obeyed God without question. The tree was, as the quoted Scripture indicates, "out of sight, out of mind."

So do they or do they not have knowledge of right and wrong prior to eating from the tree that is supposed to grant them knowledge of right and wrong?

Originally posted by FeceMan
That's precisely what I'm saying. It seems to me that God made them aware of it but it was, in a way, obscured from their thoughts.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
In response to the question of how exactly without any knowledge of right and wrong, they would know that to disobey god is wrong you said:
If they did not know that it was wrong, then surely they would have already eaten from the tree.
To which I said:
If they did know that it was wrong, then surely they would not need to eat from the tree in the first place?
I.e. if they know that it is wrong, they have knowledge of right and wrong, therefore they don't need to eat from the tree.

So do they or do they not have knowledge of right and wrong prior to eating from the tree that is supposed to grant them knowledge of right and wrong?

Aware of the tree or aware of the knowledge of right and wrong?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Not knowledge of it, I think, but a sense of that they ought to obey God and not do what He said not to do.

So God sends them to a life of misery, an afterlife of eternal torment, and sentences thier future generations to damnation?

Seems very irrational for a supposedly mature, wise, and loving God. But then again....since when is Christianity rational ?

Originally posted by FeceMan
The tree itself.

Reminds me of Pandora's Box 🙂

Originally posted by FeceMan
Not knowledge of it, I think, but a sense of that they ought to obey God and not do what He said not to do.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So God sends them to a life of misery, an afterlife of eternal torment, and sentences thier future generations to damnation?

Seems very irrational for a supposedly mature, wise, and loving God. But then again....since when is Christianity rational ?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That would imply that they had conscience, which would imply that they could feel guilt, which would imply they had knowledge of right and wrong.

Originally posted by FeceMan
You just don't get it.

Then maybe she did not knowingly sin. Maybe she had no idea she was doing wrong. Maybe she obeyed God up until that point simply because God said so and she had no idea that to do otherwise was wrong. Satan, however, tricked her into doing wrong.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Again which omniscient god created Lucifer?

Originally posted by FeceMan
The one true God.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Shiva?