Magneto: Villain? True or False

The major difference I see between Emma and Xavier (or magneto), and I am sure I'm just repeating what people said above, has nothing to do with their end goals. Each is devoted to the survival of their race against the human masses. Its the means by which they go about ensuring their existence. Personally, I prefer pragmatism, but I can completely see where you are coming from Will.

It is almost defeatist to say "they will never stop hating us" or whatever, and a horrible message to send to their students, but given the reality that they live in, skepticism of the human population is probably beneficial, if not idealistic. In a perfect world, yes, Emma's words would be no better than hate-mongering.

While it probably isn't politically correct to assume that we people may be scared or prejudice against mutants, it is completely realistic. I mean, be honest, if you knew for a fact that there were telepaths, people who could READ YOUR MIND, how comfortable would that make you? I will admit to a touch of the paranoia from time to time, but I don't think I'm the only one that would feel violated by even the idea that someone could be rifling through my head...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Pshaw. Xavier sent a group of children to an island to their death. He knew the Danger Room had evolved intelligence and yet kept it as a training device. He's most certainly no saint.

Agreed. Xavier has done many things that have caused negative consequences... However, I see Charles more as a tragic hero, whose own downfall is related to a serious flaw in his character. Its really splitting hairs, because most "tragic heroes" could probably fill in as "villains" if they were not the protagonists of the story, and the distinction between him and Emma here sounds way too much like "ends justify the means" for me to make that argument.

Good point. And the way you described Xavier, I almost feel sorry for him. I know magneto had good intentions, but the approach he took, I don't think is right. I think (Like you said) Emma whilst realistic is a bit too defeatist for my liking. Despite Xavier's flaws and some of his hypocrisy, I really can't fault a guy who is just saying to both sides "Why can't we be friends?" 😄

Meh... Emma draws from her personal history to conclude with her admittedly jaded opinions. It should be noted though, time and again those opinions have been vindicated:

That's why Xavier's dream is just that - an old man's dream.

Hey c'mon don't knock the dream, Both Chuck and his ideology deserves some respect. ✅

I voted in favor of Magneto being right but taking it too far.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

I mean if I was to put myself in the shoes of the average MU human I'd probably feel a slight "hatred"(Resentful may be a better word) towards all superpowered beings aswell. I mean why were these particular individuals blessed with gifts and I wasn't? Why does the boy who sits 3 desks to the right given the ability to see the future? I don't have any powers therefore I'm not able to play "War" with my the rest of my class. What makes them so special? I work twice as hard as everyone else but the girl with the telepathy keeps getting higher grades then me in exams. Why does my brother have the ability to control things magnetically....but me...I'm just human...

Yeah you would feel resentful, but if you analysis things more closely there is no reason to feel this. Some of the most dangerous people in the MU are humans, Dr Doom, Iron Man, High Evolutinary and Donald Pierce. Hell Donald Pierce is human but is a member of the Hellfire Club! Ok these individuals are exceptional human beings but lets take a look at this lot:

Mantis
Dr Strange
Moondragon

You know what the above all have in common? None of them get their powers from artificial means or radiation or anything like that. None of the above where genuises like Dr Doom prior to gaining their powers. Their powers were learnt through determination and discipline. I dont know if Moondragon is more powerful than Xavier or Emma, but im sure there are quite a few mutants she is more powerful than in the psionic department.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Still it's a very interesting issue you raised...I'd like to know how other posters would feel about this subject if they were the average MU human citizen.

I tell you what Bro. First of all I think I would have been born mutant...but I dont really wanna get into that. If I were born human id find a way to get powers thats why in real life I study meditation. What happen in the MU is that they take aspect from this reality and increase its potential. MAs can dodge bullets, genuises can build time machines, people infected by radiation dont get cancer they get powers etc. So what would happen mutant or not if my character was put into the MU I would have psionic or magical powers or both.

In the MU its not even really that hard to get powers. There was an X-factor issue were a boy who hated mutants studied magick and gained powers. In an Alpha Flight issue it showed that the all the Tibetan Monks had psionic powers. This indicates with some determination a human being can teach himself powers through magick or psionic means.

So if I was born human instead of sitting around like a mug waiting for the Avengers to save my *** and getting jealous I would reasearch and learn how to have super powers.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Come to think of it....if the humans knew about...Wanda...mutant/human relations would have have gone back to the dark ages.

Is Wanda more powerful than Dr Strange?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh... Emma draws from her personal history to conclude with her admittedly jaded opinions. It should be noted though, time and again those opinions have been vindicated:

That's why Xavier's dream is just that - an old man's dream.

So why werent the Avengers at Genosha surely thats some form of CIS, that must have known what was going on. Why didnt they help?

Originally posted by Alfheim
[B]Yeah you would feel resentful, but if you analysis things more closely there is no reason to feel this. Some of the most dangerous people in the MU are humans, Dr Doom, Iron Man, High Evolutinary and Donald Pierce. Hell Donald Pierce is human but is a member of the Hellfire Club! Ok these individuals are exceptional human beings but lets take a look at this lot:

Mantis
Dr Strange
Moondragon

You know what the above all have in common? None of them get their powers from artificial means or radiation or anything like that. None of the above where genuises like Dr Doom prior to gaining their powers. Their powers were learnt through determination and discipline. I dont know if Moondragon is more powerful than Xavier or Emma, but im sure there are quite a few mutants she is more powerful than in the psionic department.

Donald Pierce isn't human he's a Cyborg.

The others however are freak events i.e. Moondragon and Dr Strange. Others were naturally born geniuses i.e. Dr Doom and Tony Stark. You're taking the issue out of context it's not that easy to acquire super powers. I'm talking about the Average Marvel Citizen. Moondragon and Strange both acquired their powers through "unique" mentors.

I tell you what Bro. First of all I think I would have been born mutant...but I dont really wanna get into that. If I were born human id find a way to get powers thats why in real life I study meditation. What happen in the MU is that they take aspect from this reality and increase its potential. MAs can dodge bullets, genuises can build time machines, people infected by radiation dont get cancer they get powers etc. So what would happen mutant or not if my character was put into the MU I would have psionic or magical powers or both.

In the MU its not even really that hard to get powers. There was an X-factor issue were a boy who hated mutants studied magick and gained powers. In an Alpha Flight issue it showed that the all the Tibetan Monks had psionic powers. This indicates with some determination a human being can teach himself powers through magick or psionic means.

So if I was born human instead of sitting around like a mug waiting for the Avengers to save my *** and getting jealous I would reasearch and learn how to have super powers.

You're being unrealistic here...in the X-Universe...the human/super-powered beings relationship is far more realistic. Again you're talking about freakish occurrences. i.e. Getting your hands on a spell book. What are the chances of that exactly? If it was that easy every MU human being would have super powers.
And remember you're supposed to be the average marvel universe human being....meaning you're that man marching outside the Xavier Mansion with picket signs.

Is Wanda more powerful than Dr Strange?

It's not my place to say...she's powerful enough to turn him into Dr Phil...but then again that was a crossover. Besides the womens tampering almost collapsed the Omniverse.

So why werent the Avengers at Genosha surely thats some form of CIS, that must have known what was going on. Why didnt they help?

Not CIS I'm afraid...Genosha crashed and burnt in New X-Men #114 when Cassandra Nova unleashed her Sentinels upon it. 16 million mutants wiped out. Emma Frost was one of the very few survivors. And the worst part is....not the slightest peep from the Avengers. The X-Men had to go and dig out the corpses.

BTW The Avengers were most probably preoccupied at the time...or just felt Magneto is dead...so why not celebrate.
Anyway in X's scans Emma asks Carol and Tony that question. Apparently they themselves don't know why.

Here's another one of her past experiences. This is nothing compared to the genocide that occured in Genosha...but even as a member of the Hellfire Club the humans were never to be trusted. See what it cost that naive fool Sebastian Shaw.

Human instinct isn't the only problem, there's plenty of mutants who tend to give normal Humans very good reason to fear them. Magneto being a pretty good example.

Claiming to be a superior species or more evolved probably doesn't help... I'm not sure being the result of alien experiments really counts as evolution.