Did Darwin Die A Lunatic?
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Oops, I should have put this in the other thread entitled, "The fool has said in his/her heart there is no God."
Did Darwin Die A Lunatic?
http://www.godsaidmansaid.com/printtopic.asp?ItemId=808
Oops, I should have put this in the other thread entitled, "The fool has said in his/her heart there is no God."
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.godsaidmansaid.com/printtopic.asp?ItemId=808Oops, I should have put this in the other thread entitled, "The fool has said in his/her heart there is no God."
Re: Did Darwin Die A Lunatic?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.godsaidmansaid.com/printtopic.asp?ItemId=808Oops, I should have put this in the other thread entitled, "The fool has said in his/her heart there is no God."
So because he switched from Darwinism to Christianity on his deathbed he's a lunatic?
Denying God, besides making one a fool, opens the door for a myriad of psychological and physical ailments. For example, others that followed Darwin’s pernicious ways were men like the famous German rationalist, Neitchze, who coined the phrase, “God is dead.” He ended up dead in an insane asylum. Carl Marx, the father of communism, who was brought up in a Jewish Christian home, rejected God and embraced Satan. One of his first writings was a poem praising the power of Satan. See “Beware Who You Follow,” on this website. The fruit of his labor was and is the murder, rape, and pillaging of millions. Julian Huxley, arguably the twentieth century’s most prominent God-rejecting evolutionist, endured regular electric shock treatments for his very severe, deep, dark depression. When he was asked why the anti-God paradigm had taken such a worldwide hold in such a short period of time, he alluded to the fact that evolution gave its followers sexual liberty. A short list of the benefits of this sexual liberty, which is simply rejection of God and His Word, is as follows:∙Pre-martial sex
∙Venereal Disease
∙Homosexuality
∙AIDS
∙Pedophilia
∙Abortion
∙Gay marriage
∙Adoption of children by homosexuals
∙Broken homes
∙Suicide
∙Murder
∙Rape, etc.
Just when I thought I couldn't be any more disgusted by the baseless and misconstrued arguments of so called "good Christians" this comes along.
I love the way they fail to realise all those things (except AIDs) were common long before evolution. I love the way they fail to recognise any of the numerous Christians who have suffered from depression and mental illness over the years. And that experts have shown there is no correlation between evolution and philosophy and crime. In fact crime is less common and more prosecuted in the west today then it was during the "Christian era" - but they ignore that. Good Christians my hat.
I love the fact they have as much grasp of the works of these men and the intentions behind them as the dirt has of the wondrous flower that grows from it. The good old "misquote Neitchze" - classics (as well as spelling his name wrong. Way to go morons.) Oh and we tie Marx to murder and rape - despite the fact he himself never committed such a crime.
And the total fact there is nothing supporting their arguments expect there twisted view.... "these men didn't believe in God... they may have been mentally ill... clearly God punished them!" Funny, instead of proving his existance God chooses to subject those rational opponants to religion with mental illness. God is dead, and he deserves to be with those tactics.
You disappoint me JIA, you really do.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Just when I thought I couldn't be any more disgusted by the baseless and misconstrued arguments of so called "good Christians" this comes along.I love the way they fail to realise all those things (except AIDs) were common long before evolution. I love the way they fail to recognise any of the numerous Christians who have suffered from depression and mental illness over the years. And that experts have shown there is no correlation between evolution and philosophy and crime. In fact crime is less common and more prosecuted in the west today then it was during the "Christian era" - but they ignore that. Good Christians my hat.
I love the fact they have as much grasp of the works of these men and the intentions behind them as the dirt has of the wondrous flower that grows from it. The good old "misquote Neitchze" - classics (as well as spelling his name wrong. Way to go morons.) Oh and we tie Marx to murder and rape - despite the fact he himself never committed such a crime.
And the total fact there is nothing supporting their arguments expect there twisted view.... "these men didn't believe in God... they may have been mentally ill... clearly God punished them!" Funny, instead of proving his existance God chooses to subject those rational opponants to religion with mental illness. God is dead, and he deserves to be with those tactics.
You disappoint me JIA, you really do.
Check out the link about the baby chick in the thread entitled, "The fool has said in his/her heart there is no God." Matte of fact, here it is:
AN EGG'S TESTIMONY
by Doug Ward
A baby chick pecks a gaping hole in the theories of those who deny the existence of a Creator.
When I was growing up, I spent many hours at the chicken hatchery owned by my mother's parents, who lived right next to us near Wooster, Ohio. There were a number of chores to do as Grandma prepared for each week's hatch. I especially remember the hours spent folding together and stapling the cardboard boxes in which the baby chicks were shipped to farmers who had ordered them.
Monday was hatching day. Every Monday morning, right on schedule, hundreds of chicks emerged from their eggs and filled the air in and around the hatchery with piles of yellow fuzz and loud ``cheep, cheep, cheeps.'' Customers arrived, and children's eyes lit up as they peeked into the boxes and saw the newly-hatched Rhode Island Reds, Barred Plymouth Rocks, and the bright yellow chicks that Grandma had named Ohio Beauties.
As the years went by, I didn't spend too much time wondering about the details of the process that led to the baby chicks' sudden appearance after exactly three weeks in the incubator. I associated the hatchery with repetitious tasks, to be completed quickly so that I could get back to books and baseball games. Still, Grandma gave my brother and me regular reminders of some of the wonderful things that were quietly going on inside the eggs that filled the big incubators. For example, she would often pick up a new baby chick and point out the sharp bump (called an ``egg tooth''😉 on its beak, explaining that God had provided the chick with this temporary special tool so that it could break through its shell. I mentally filed away such information for future reference.
Later, as a college student, I stumbled across an article in Scientific American [1] that describes the ways in which eggs are carefully designed to provide for all the needs of the baby birds inside them. When I first read that magazine, I was amazed to learn that what Grandma had taught us was only a small part of a much bigger picture. During the twenty years since then, I have occasionally reread the magazine and found renewed inspiration in the facts presented there.
In this article, I would like to share with you the awesome story of the wonders contained in a hen's egg. This story graphically illustrates the words written by the apostle Paul in Romans 1:20 (KJV): ``For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead....''
The Shell Game
A baby chick growing up inside of an egg obtains the energy it needs from the fat stores of the egg yolk. As this fat is burned, water is produced. The chick also takes in oxygen and discharges carbon dioxide, even before its lungs have developed. But how does oxygen reach the chick, and how do carbon dioxide and water escape from the egg?
It turns out that an eggshell contains thousands of microscopic pores-about 10,000 for a typical chicken egg. The egg admits oxygen and releases carbon dioxide through these pores by the process of diffusion, the tendency for a high concentration of one type of molecule to flow to a place where there is a lower concentration of that type of molecule. Because there is more oxygen in the air outside the eggshell, oxygen enters the egg; and because there is more carbon dioxide and water vapor inside the shell, these gases leave the egg. According to [1], ``the molecular traffic through the 10,000 pores of the eggshell is remarkably intense. Every second a net of 20 trillion (20,000,000,000,000) oxygen molecules flows into the egg through each pore and 14 trillion molecules of carbon dioxide and 12 trillion molecules of water vapor flow out.'' An egg is quite a center of activity!
Scientists have found that the rate at which gases diffuse through an eggshell is determined by the area and the length of the pores in the shell. The larger the area of the pores, the faster gases can flow through them; but the longer the pores, the slower the gases travel. And the sizes of the pores are no accident-major problems would occur if the pores were too large or too small. The situation is clearly described in [1, p. 47]:
``If the gas conductance is too high, the oxygen requirement of the embryo will be amply met but too much water will be lost, resulting in dehydration. If the gas conductance is too low, the embryo will either suffocate for lack of oxygen, be poisoned by its own carbon dioxide or drown in its own metabolic water. A happy medium must be struck that provides optimal gas pressures in the embryo and ensures a finite loss of water from the egg.''
Another important factor is the width of the shell, which determines the length of the pores. If the shell is too thin, it will not adequately protect the chick inside. On the other hand, if the shell is too thick, it will not allow enough oxygen to reach the chick, as described above.
With all of these parameters to be considered, the design of an appropriate eggshell for a particular type of bird is a challenging engineering problem. The eggshell shows evidence of having been planned by a skilled Designer.
The Inside Story
Even the eggshell, with its precise design, cannot by itself provide for all of the respiratory requirements of the chick that is rapidly growing inside the egg. But in His great wisdom, our Creator has planned some ingenious methods of satisfying these requirements.
A chick needs increasing quantities of oxygen as it grows. The increased demand for oxygen is satisfied by the chorioallantois, a respiratory organ analogous to the placenta of mammals. The chorioallantois begins extending out from the chick embryo on the fifth and sixth days of the twenty-one day gestation period of the chick. It attaches itself to the inner membrane of the eggshell and establishes a network of capillaries that carry oxygen to the chick. By the ninth day, it covers about half of the inner surface of the shell; and by day 12, it completely covers that inner surface.
Meanwhile, as water vapor diffuses out of the egg, it is replaced by air that forms an air cell at the blunt end of the egg. Eventually, the air cell grows to occupy about fifteen percent of the volume inside the egg. This is another detail that Grandma was careful to point out to us as she taught us the chores of the hatchery. Every Friday afternoon, we would remove from the top sections of the incubators the trays of eggs in which the chicks had reached their eighteenth day of development. Shining a bright light on the eggs in a darkened room, we then sorted out any infertile eggs and moved the fertile eggs from their original trays to roomier hatching trays, which we placed in the bottom sections of the incubators in preparation for the following Monday's hatch. Under the light, one notable feature of the fertile eggs was the presence of the large air cell. Grandma would often mention that God had given the chick this special pocket of air.
Why is the air cell important? Conveniently, the air cell serves an essential purpose for the chick when it is almost ready to hatch. On the nineteenth day of its gestation period, the chick penetrates the air cell with its beak. Now its lungs are ready for use, and it exercises them for the first time by breathing the air in the air cell. After about six hours of breathing this air, the chick uses its ``egg tooth'' to make a small hole in the eggshell. At this point, the breathing ``warmup'' provided by the air cell has prepared the chick's lungs for the more strenuous breathing that the chick needs to do in order to break out of the eggshell. Within two more days, the hatching process is complete and the chick uses its lungs to announce its success to all who are within earshot. Its loud cheeps are a shrill testimony to the careful design of both the eggshell and the interior portion of the egg.
Conclusion
When I think about these facts, I am struck by how effectively a simple egg witnesses to the wisdom of our Creator. In Psalm 139:14, David declares, ``I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.'' The more that we learn about the world around us, the more we can see that everything is ``fearfully and wonderfully made.'' I am reminded also of the first verse of a familiar hymn based on Psalm 19:
``The heav'ns God's glory do declare,
The skies His handiworks teach;
Day after day their speech pours forth,
And knowledge night after night.
There is no speech nor spoken word;
Their voice is never heard.
And yet their voice spreads to all the earth,
Their words to the ends of the world.''
Every aspect of God's creation speaks clearly, shouting His wisdom and glory to all the world. If we have ears to hear, we can live our lives in constant awareness that we are walking continually in His presence.
Reference
1.
Hermann Rahn, Amos Ar and Charles V. Paganelli, ``How Bird Eggs Breathe,'' Scientific American 240 (1979), no. 2, pp. 46-55.
Once again, since the time Darwin first proposed his theory, the whole "there are things that exist that couldn't without some sort of conscious design" has been bandied about. And do you realise that these mewling haven't killed evolution?
More important and that evolutionists have dealt with them and pointed out that saying "but they couldn't exist without help" doesn't in fact equal proof in an intelligent designer? Seeing as how the egg occurs naturally in the world, and seeing as how the Chicken didn't exist till a long time after the dinosaurs... why that would mean that the intelligent designer was kicking around designing as little at 20,000 years ago.
And it fails to deal with the fact the theory you presented in this thread has more against it then... well I can't think of anything. Statistical, psychological, sociological, anthropological.... well, you get the picture.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveYour intelligence is lower than Barker's testicles, please die.
http://www.godsaidmansaid.com/printtopic.asp?ItemId=808Oops, I should have put this in the other thread entitled, "The fool has said in his/her heart there is no God."
lord xyz
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Hey.
You really are just kidding about that Bible shit aren't you. You don't really believe all of it, right?
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Last edited by lord xyz on Jan 1st 2000 at 00:00 AM
I don't understand your question. Why would I kid about Hell or Heaven or anything else relative to the Bible in the sense that you mean it. Yes, xyz I do really believe all of it.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Somebody needs a clue. Why you haven't been banned as the troll and waste of cyberspace you are is astounding.
Why are you so bitter and mad at the world? I don't think I have ever read a normal post from you. Your posts are always livid. You need evolution, no wait you have that but you are still hostile (perhaps there is a direct correlation). You need Jesus.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why are you so bitter and mad at the world? I don't think I have ever read a normal post from you. Your posts are always livid. You need evolution, no wait you have that but you are still hostile (perhaps there is a direct correlation). You need Jesus.
How about responding to my original post reagrding the logical and practical problems with this kind of theory?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive🙄 Yes, I'm a bitter maladjusted person angry at the world.
Why are you so bitter and mad at the world? I don't think I have ever read a normal post from you. Your posts are always livid. You need evolution, no wait you have that but you are still hostile (perhaps there is a direct correlation). You need Jesus.
Or I'm an average ordinary person, who like most of those who post on this forum are bored of your claptrap.
My annoyance isn't at the world. It's at the idiocy within it, exemplified by you and your ilk, and I don't mean the religious. I mean the smug sanctimonious fanatical drones.
On the topic or lack thereof of this thread:
'Religion is based...mainly upon fear...fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand.... My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race.' Bertrand Russell.