Did Darwin Die A Lunatic?

Started by FeceMan4 pages

Can I be treasurer? No, no, secretary. Wait, treasurer.

Yeh know...

Wouldn't it just be easier to say that God filled in the holes of evolution rather than trying to prove it wrong?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Can I be treasurer? No, no, secretary. Wait, treasurer.

Yeh know...

Wouldn't it just be easier to say that God filled in the holes of evolution rather than trying to prove it wrong?

Because that's just as bad as creationism itself?

Originally posted by lord xyz
Because that's just as bad as religion itself?

Well, that didn't answer the question.

I don't think I quite understand the question; your position is that evolution happened, but it was divinely guided?

Originally posted by Gregory
I don't think I quite understand the question; your position is that evolution happened, but it was divinely guided?
No, he's saying that everything evolution has already proven is true, and everything evolution can't prove, God did it.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Indeed.

"I, Imperial Samura, hereby claim this hill, in absence of defenders, for the cause of rationality, knowledge and the open mind. May all people be be freed from ignorance!"

Well at least you chased him from the thread, but I fear he will rise again in another. That is is M.O. though, he post fact-less "truths", preaches the benefits of being a Christian and then when someone eviscerates his post and asked counter questions which expose his lies he bails.

Originally posted by lord xyz
No, he's saying that everything evolution has already proven is true, and everything evolution can't prove, God did it.

Not so sure about that, he has been very adamant in the past saying that evolution is utterly rubbish because the Bible tells how "it" all happened.

Feceman do you speak in tongues like JIA?

Originally posted by Robtard
Well at least you chased him from the thread, but I fear he will rise again in another. That is is M.O. though, he post fact-less "truths", preaches the benefits of being a Christian and then when someone eviscerates his post and asked counter questions which expose his lies he bails.

Everything that you said about me in this post (negatively) is untrue. I will ask you to do one simple thing: support what you have said about "my lies." Show me one lie that I have ever told on this forum--not your characterization of a lie--but an actual untruth that I wrote (as coming from me).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Everything that you said about me in this post (negatively) is untrue. I will ask you to do one simple thing: support what you have said about "my lies." Show me one lie that I have ever told on this forum--not your characterization of a lie--but an actual untruth that I wrote (as coming from me).

Do Chick Tracts count since it is established they contain mistruths and gross historical inaccuracies?

You could always try defending the theory you presented her by addressing my first post JIA - you know, the fact all the negatives they listed existed long before evolution. That Christians suffer similar mental problems sometimes, lack of statistical evidence (or any kind) supporting their link between evolution and crime. Or between atheism and unhappiness/mental illness.

I'm starting to think that JIA is actualy not christian, and is trying to make us abandon christianity by portraying it's proponents as idiots.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I'm starting to think that JIA is actualy not christian, and is trying to make us abandon christianity by portraying it's proponents as idiots.
I PMed him and asked him if it were so.

He hasn't replied.

Originally posted by Robtard
Well at least you chased him from the thread, but I fear he will rise again in another. That is is M.O. though, he post fact-less "truths", preaches the benefits of being a Christian and then when someone eviscerates his post and asked counter questions which expose his lies he bails.
Just like all the rest.

Originally posted by crazy
Feceman do you speak in tongues like JIA?
Yep.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not so sure about that, he has been very adamant in the past saying that evolution is utterly rubbish because the Bible tells how "it" all happened.
I don't know what he's said before, but that's what I got from reading the post.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Can I be treasurer? No, no, secretary. Wait, treasurer.

Yeh know...

Wouldn't it just be easier to say that God filled in the holes of evolution rather than trying to prove it wrong?

"God filled in the holes of evolution" is basically saying God did everything that hasn't been proven yet. (Implying evolution as it is now is true.) Which is exactly the same thinking before evolution.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Everything that you said about me in this post (negatively) is untrue. I will ask you to do one simple thing: support what you have said about "my lies." Show me one lie that I have ever told on this forum--not your characterization of a lie--but an actual untruth that I wrote (as coming from me).

When you say the evolution is completely 100% untrue, unfounded and a complete lie. There is proof that evolution occurred, maybe not enough to completely back it 100% like "we" think it happened, but there is proof. Come on now, you have used Chick-tracts to prove a point in the past...

As far as you dodging and bailing out when you can't answer something that contradicts your views, that is true and Imperial Samurai has experienced it from you the most among others. He can vouch that I wasn't lying/

"Some speculate that part of Darwin's mental problems were due to his nagging, gnawing fear that he had devoted his "life to a fantasy"—and a "dangerous one" at that (Desmond and Moore, 1991, p. 477). This fear was that his theory was false and there was, in fact, a divine Creator."
-Posted by JIA

"Some speculate," meaning christian groups. Darwin by his own admission was Agnostic, not an Atheist. Darwin's daughter was with him when he died and stated that he never converted to christianity. Those stories arose from the false claim surrounding his grandfather's death.
He never stated that his theory was false, not sure what that nonsense is refering to.

"With Moody's encouragement, Lady Hope's story was printed in the Boston Watchman Examiner. The story spread, and the claims were republished as late as October 1955 in the Reformation Review and in the Monthly Record of the Free Church of Scotland in February 1957. These attempts to fudge Darwin's story had already been exposed for what they were, first by his daughter Henrietta after they had been revived in 1922. "I was present at his deathbed," she wrote in the Christian for February 23, 1922. "Lady Hope was not present during his last illness, or any illness. I believe he never even saw her, but in any case she had no influence over him in any department of thought or belief. He never recanted any of his scientific views, either then or earlier. We think the story of his conversion was fabricated in the U.S.A. . . . The whole story has no foundation whatever." (Ellipsis is in the book)
Darwin said, "Disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted even for a single second that my conclusion was correct." These are some of his last words."

Originally posted by Robtard
As far as you dodging and bailing out when you can't answer something that contradicts your views, that is true and Imperial Samurai has experienced it from you the most among others. He can vouch that I wasn't lying/

No, you weren't lying.

And now JIA -

You could always try defending the theory you presented her by addressing my first post JIA - you know, the fact all the negatives they listed existed long before evolution. That Christians suffer similar mental problems sometimes, lack of statistical evidence (or any kind) supporting their link between evolution and crime. Or between atheism and unhappiness/mental illness.

Oh I'm dancing on the hill I claimed, and everyone is happy and smart here.

Originally posted by Robtard
When you say the evolution is completely 100% untrue, unfounded and a complete lie. There is proof that evolution occurred, maybe not enough to completely back it 100% like "we" think it happened, but there is proof. Come on now, you have used Chick-tracts to prove a point in the past...
No one is allowed to question the word of Dr David A Dewitt, head of the Centre for Creation Studies at the ironically named Liberty University, a self-proclaimed fundamentalist Baptist college, and holds a faculty position at the Institute for Creation Research, an "educational facility" which purports a 6000 year old earth, who has never published a peer-reviewed article on evolution in any legitimate journal of evolutionary studies.

Well not unless you too have a BSc in biochemistry and a PhD in neuroscience.

Meanwhile he denies all evidence of evolution and the abundant scientific research by numerous notable and lauded independent scientists, whose publications literally fill libraries.

Now, just going on a hunch here, but I'm going to assume JIA doesn't have any peer-reviewed publications, or any tenured position at a respectable research/higher educational facility, or a PhD, or even a BSc. In fact I very much doubt he's even taken high school biology.

I smell a hypocrite (the pungent odour is unmistakable). So there we have liar and hypocrite.

Originally posted by Robtard
As far as you dodging and bailing out when you can't answer something that contradicts your views, that is true and Imperial Samurai has experienced it from you the most among others. He can vouch that I wasn't lying/
And the constant running away, often from threads created that have backfired. I think we can safely add inept and cowardly.

So putting all this together we conclude that he's an inept, cowardly, lying hypocrite. Or hypocritical liar. Or any other permutation one cares to create.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No one is allowed to question the word of Dr David A Dewitt, head of the Centre for Creation Studies at the ironically named Liberty University, a self-proclaimed fundamentalist Baptist college, and holds a faculty position at the Institute for Creation Research, an "educational facility" which purports a 6000 year old earth, who has never published a peer-reviewed article on evolution in any legitimate journal of evolutionary studies.

Well not unless you too have a BSc in biochemistry and a PhD in neuroscience.

Meanwhile he denies all evidence of evolution and the abundant scientific research by numerous notable and lauded independent scientists, whose publications literally fill libraries.

Now, just going on a hunch here, but I'm going to assume JIA doesn't have any peer-reviewed publications, or any tenured position at a respectable research/higher educational facility, or a PhD, or even a BSc. In fact I very much doubt he's even taken high school biology.

I smell a hypocrite (the pungent odour is unmistakable). So there we have liar and hypocrite.
And the constant running away, often from threads created that have backfired. I think we can safely add inept and cowardly.

So putting all this together we conclude that he's an inept, cowardly, lying hypocrite. Or hypocritical liar. Or any other permutation one cares to create.

Funny thing, what I said about Dewitt was true, he only 'picks' at parts and not the whole equation so he can justify his "truths" and I am a laymen/amateur in all fields of science.

He's definitely a hypocrite for accusing others of faults he is guilty of himself. Not sure about a liar, what he says may be lies but if he truly believes them, is it lying? Would the insanity defense work?

What I am curious of though, he has littered the threads with preachings of salvation and how to properly attain salvation; I want to know if he has the qualifications to do so... Is he an ordained Priest, Preacher, Minister, Rabbi or just another Jimmy Jones?

Jesus died more of a lunatic than Darwin did.

Why don't all of us just put JIA on our ignore lists? Maybe he'll get the idea and leave.