Deadpool vs Midnighter

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine has kicked a guys head off before. Shang Chi is ripped a guys head off before. It is something that only happens to fodder.

Honestly, even in Wildstorm Universe, I can't see Midnighter taking the majority from guys like Zealot or Agent Orange. He isn't that strong or fast and healing factor just isn't that hot. Deadpool would crush him IMO.

And this feat? Yeesh:
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I'd also have to argue that Midnighter is faster than Deadpool. He may not be insanely faster, but he's pretty much Daken-fast. In other words, because of his ability to process millions of scenarios instantly, he essentially can be wherever he wants in a fight. The guy kicks fired tank shells with his feet for goodness sake:
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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He's ridiculously faster than any human being and his powers have allowed him to compensate for the abilities of a speedster. He's fought with Apollo successfully. He's been kicked hard enough to cross most of a desert and not be phased. The ability he has to predict outcomes is an effective counter to essentially any combat style, one simply has to be so far above him in stats that it doesn't matter.

Wade can win thanks to his HF but he won't come close to crushing Midnighter.

His personal feats are insane. Midnighter is very very underrated. IMHO, Midnighter is, at the very least, the king of all street-levellers. But because of his enhancements and powers, he really shouldn't be allowed to be street-level. Digimark007's Authority respect thread is where it's at:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=484278&highlight=title%3A%28authority+respect%29

Midnighter 7/10 at least. Only reason Deadpool does this well is his insanity trump card and healing factor. It sure did a tizzy on Taskmaster at least. A small factor.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He has three speed feats. Blitzing some cannon fodder, and catching an arrow... twice. Nothing to suggest he is faster than 'Pool. Hanging with Apollo is part CIS on Apollo's part, and part Apollo being a third class Superman knock off.

The speedster wasn't cannon fodder, they were all alone in fact. MN's speed shocked CaptainAtom too.

Of course the fight with Apollo took advantage of Apollo not being a genius but what it does prove is that having an advantage in stats in meaningless against Midnighter.

He was the very definition of cannon fodder. Being superhuman doesn't preclude you from being cannon fodder, the lowest of the COBRA soldiers are 2x human across the board and COBRA soldiers are pretty much one of the primary examples of fodder.

And I meant CIS more along the lines that Apollo is in love with Midnighter, not his intelligence per say.

Seriously though, Grifter was dragging Midnighter around an awful lot in their mini. He just doesn't heal fast enough to deal with the kind of damage he will sustain fighting Wade, and he isn't fast or skilled enough to avoid enough of 'Pool's attacks to take the majority.

Originally posted by Mindset
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...the heck is that from? Wildcats? Or just a teaser for the upcoming post-Mark of the Beast story arc?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
...the heck is that from? Wildcats? Or just a teaser for the upcoming post-Mark of the Beast story arc?

It's Uncivil Union arc

http://wildstormresource.wetpaint.com/page/Grifter+&+Midnighter+(series+index)?t=anon

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
It's Uncivil Union arc

http://wildstormresource.wetpaint.com/page/Grifter+&+Midnighter+(series+index)?t=anon

They must have done more than 1 Grifter/MNer arc. Because I have an entire arc by the same name, and the art style is wildly different.

er...hell. maybe I do have it and my memory is just shite. Because I'm quite sure that arc is the only of its kind.

srug

Originally posted by DigiMark007
They must have done more than 1 Grifter/MNer arc. Because I have an entire arc by the same name, and the art style is wildly different.

Grifter and Midnighter first meet in Sleeper. (Or something that tied into it at least)

They meet again in Armageddon.

Then the six issue Grifter / Midnighter mini. Which was drawn by Ryan Benjamin.

A dur to Carnage for not using the search.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Grifter and Midnighter first meet in Sleeper. (Or something that tied into it at least)

They meet again in Armageddon.

Then the six issue Grifter / Midnighter mini. Which was drawn by Ryan Benjamin.

Yeah, I have all of those. I just didn't recognize the fight. So I must have it (because I own everything) and just forgot about it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He was the very definition of cannon fodder. Being superhuman doesn't preclude you from being cannon fodder, the lowest of the COBRA soldiers are 2x human across the board and COBRA soldiers are pretty much one of the primary examples of fodder.

Cannon fodder appears in huge numbers to get slaughtered. A one on one fight doesn't involved cannon fodder. This is where the classic "inverse ninja law" comes into play.

His reflexes were also fast enough to counter a speedster that wasn't a part of cannon fodder enemies.

To take this in another direction: when has Wade blitzed anybody?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And I meant CIS more along the lines that Apollo is in love with Midnighter, not his intelligence per say.

CIS doesn't lower his durability or speed.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Seriously though, Grifter was dragging Midnighter around an awful lot in their mini. He just doesn't heal fast enough to deal with the kind of damage he will sustain fighting Wade, and he isn't fast or skilled enough to avoid enough of 'Pool's attacks to take the majority.

MN has a considerable number of healing feats. None of DP's level, obviously but enough to keep him in the fight for a long time.

healing factor for the win.
midnighter imo will be the better of the two but he can't contend with the
healing abilities of deadpool.

Pretty much what others are saying.

Can DP be knocked out? And would that count as a win? Because he literally can't die, which means MN'er would never technically win. But he's also the most skilled in this fight by a fair margin.

MN isn't that much more skilled than DP, and DP regen more than makes up for the difference in my opinion.

DP can take a lot of punishment before being knocked up, much like the other people with hf in Marvel.

Originally posted by Mindset
MN isn't that much more skilled than DP, and DP regen more than makes up for the difference in my opinion.

DP can take a lot of punishment before being knocked up

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Originally posted by DigiMark007
But he's also the most skilled in this fight by a fair margin.

Wow. I strongly disagree with that statement. Grifter managed to get him pinned, which is impressive considering Midnighter is physically at least 2x Grifter in every way. Midnighter is a better tactician, but actually more skilled? Nah, not even close IMO. I don't think he is even on the same level of Wildstorms big bad MA's like Zealot, Grifter and Backlash.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
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lmao 😆

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wow. I strongly disagree with that statement. Grifter managed to get him pinned, which is impressive considering Midnighter is physically at least 2x Grifter in every way. Midnighter is a better tactician, but actually more skilled? Nah, not even close IMO. I don't think he is even on the same level of Wildstorms big bad MA's like Zealot, Grifter and Backlash.

Tactical skill IS skill. How else are we to define skill? If it's H2H prowess, all that is, is making the most of your body in various situations. Tactics. And MN'er runs circles around the three you mentioned in the tactics department. I'm not entirely familiar with Backlash's physical stats, though Zealot makes up some of the difference by being comfortably above peak human. Mn'er is too, btw, but I'd say she's a touch > him in raw physical stats....so it's closer.

So are we basing this opinion on the 3 scans on the last page? The scans that showed Mn'er having the upper hand and Grifter sneaking a shot in with a concealed weapon? With an inconclusive outcome? If so, it's an incomplete estimation at best, and plain false at worst. If you're allowed to do that, then I can take any one of the numerous scans that place MN'er well above street-levelers in terms of physical stats and tactics/skill, and use that to say the exact opposite.

So, as before, the only thing that keeps Wade in this fight is healing. He's skilled, no doubt. But not as much as Mn'er.

Midnighter is going to be unable to predict 'Pool's movements nearly as well as those he's familiar with. I've seen him do decently against a lot of superhumans because he knows them inside out.

Not to mention, Deadpool's insane, and is as likely to blow himself up as the enemy, so nix to the extreme tactics department.

As for Midnighter's skill... if he has an edge, and that's a big IF, it's marginal.

Deadpool's better armed and has a mindset and abilities that I don't see Midnighter easily dealing with.

Seriously, DP is one of the worst street levelers MN could fight, he's tremendously unpredictable, and he has an insane healing factor.