battle

Fellow wtfpwn I belive. 😛

Aragorn vs Gandalf (swords only).

I'm not so sure about the first one. of course having gandalf is a huge advantage, but thirteen dwarwes is some army and if all of them are almost as good as Gimly, then it could be an even fight. I also think the fellowship would win, but not wtfpwn. not even pwn..

aragorn all the way. he is a sword fighters ideal, gandalf has a sword, but it could just as well have been an axe 😛 . he is a wizard, not a fighter.

So your battle? 😉

Originally posted by vanice
I'm not so sure about the first one. of course having gandalf is a huge advantage, but thirteen dwarwes is some army and if all of them are almost as good as Gimly, then it could be an even fight. I also think the fellowship would win, but not wtfpwn. not even pwn..

aragorn all the way. he is a sword fighters ideal, gandalf has a sword, but it could just as well have been an axe 😛 . he is a wizard, not a fighter.

The dwarves weren't that spectacular really, and I doubt they are on par with Gimli unless you got some facts proving that. Gandalf could easily do the same as he did with Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli on some of the dwarves, and him doing those push things like he did vs Saruman would probably keep them all at bay. Legolas would shoot down many in very short time, while Aragorn, Gimli and Boromir, plus the hobbits would be enough to stall them in close combat, and Gandalf taking many out sourley by using magic. I belive it is a pwn indeed!

they are just as good as any dwarves, and it's very much possible that they are on pair with Gimly, I can't really prove it but you can't prove me wrong either. Gandalf is the big reason why the fellowship wins. but I still don't think they will pwn.

Maedros vs. Túrin Turambar

Maedhros before or after his captivity? Since Túrin is pretty good (understatement of the year 😑 ) I'd say it's pretty close, but after Maitimo's captivity when his skill or at least his strength improved so much by sheer fury he'd win.

Glaurung vs. Ancalagon

Oops... that 'Maitimo' up there was supposed to be 'Maedhros' 😮 It's actually the same person, but I tend to prefer calling him and his family by their Quenya names^^'

hehe, well I understood.
I'd say Ancalagon. Don't know much about him but he is said to be the mightiest "fire-drake" and he's called "the iron jawed swan" which is cool. so he wins because he is mighty an by sheer coolness ....... 😛

Gwahir and his eagles vs. Glarung

hehe, well I understood.
I'd say Ancalagon. Don't know much about him but he is said to be the mightiest "fire-drake" and he's called "the iron jawed swan" which is cool. so he wins because he is mighty and by sheer coolness ....... 😛

Gwahir and his eagles vs. Glarung

ops sorry about that, don't know why it happened but..

Originally posted by vanice
hehe, well I understood.
I'd say Ancalagon. Don't know much about him but he is said to be the mightiest "fire-drake" and he's called "the iron jawed swan" which is cool. so he wins because he is mighty and by sheer coolness ....... 😛

Gwahir and his eagles vs. Glarung

Turin vs. Tuor

Originally posted by vanice
they are just as good as any dwarves, and it's very much possible that they are on pair with Gimly, I can't really prove it but you can't prove me wrong either. Gandalf is the big reason why the fellowship wins. but I still don't think they will pwn.

Maedros vs. Túrin Turambar

So, all dwarves need not be as good as Gimli. And if you don't have any proof, you cannot make such decision. If you don't know how strong they are, then you can't say I can't know if they are as strong as Gimli, because they haven't shown anything like that.

Anyway, Turin vs Tuor. I think Turin would win! Can't say I know much about Tuor though. 😛

Huan vs the fellowship of the ring!

Originally posted by kamikz
So, all dwarves need not be as good as Gimli. And if you don't have any proof, you cannot make such decision. If you don't know how strong they are, then you can't say I can't know if they are as strong as Gimli, because they haven't shown anything like that.

they did show it. the dwarves in Bilbo makes a big difference in the battle of five armies. the book says things like "thorin swung his axe with swift strokes and it seemed like nothing could harm him". and yes he does die eventually, but that's not because he's bad or anything. it's because he is in the middle of a huge battlefield, anyone can get killed anytime there.
Gimli and the other dwarves in bilbo are all dwarves. there is nothing that says that gimli is an extraordinary good dwarf. dwarves are known as good fighters and this is 13 very brave dwarves. but as I have said already, the fellowship wins because of gandalf.

Originally posted by kamikz
Anyway, Turin vs Tuor. I think Turin would win! Can't say I know much about Tuor though. 😛

Huan vs the fellowship of the ring! [/B]

I'd say the fellowship. nine people against a huge dog.. again I think gandalf is the key to victory..

oh forgot the new battle.. sorry for double posting.

thorin vs. azhog

Originally posted by vanice
they did show it. the dwarves in Bilbo makes a big difference in the battle of five armies. the book says things like "thorin swung his axe with swift strokes and it seemed like nothing could harm him". and yes he does die eventually, but that's not because he's bad or anything. it's because he is in the middle of a huge battlefield, anyone can get killed anytime there.
Gimli and the other dwarves in bilbo are all dwarves. there is nothing that says that gimli is an extraordinary good dwarf. dwarves are known as good fighters and this is 13 very brave dwarves. but as I have said already, the fellowship wins because of gandalf.

I'd say the fellowship. nine people against a huge dog.. again I think gandalf is the key to victory..

Thorin alone maybe, not the others. And give me the quote that they changed the tides of the battle, I remember something like that being said to Beorn when he came. And being a dwarf = Gimli is like saying any human = Aragon because they are good fighters.

Anyway, Gandalf's magics could easily overcome 13 dwarves, while Aragorn with Elendil could cut off any axe, Boromir with his shield could block many strikes, and with a masterful swordsmanship he should overcome most of them. The four hobbits (maybe with an invisible Frodo) can toss rocks or fight in melee, though they will likely die fast, and Gimli to kick ass just there.
And all this while Legolas is standing behind them with his bow, taking down maybe one dwarf per 4th second. The dwarves go down hard IMO.

Originally posted by kamikz
Thorin alone maybe, not the others. And give me the quote that they changed the tides of the battle, I remember something like that being said to Beorn when he came. And being a dwarf = Gimli is like saying any human = Aragon because they are good fighters.

Anyway, Gandalf's magics could easily overcome 13 dwarves, while Aragorn with Elendil could cut off any axe, Boromir with his shield could block many strikes, and with a masterful swordsmanship he should overcome most of them. The four hobbits (maybe with an invisible Frodo) can toss rocks or fight in melee, though they will likely die fast, and Gimli to kick ass just there.
And all this while Legolas is standing behind them with his bow, taking down maybe one dwarf per 4th second. The dwarves go down hard IMO.

I said the fellowship would win, but not pwn. I don't think gandalf can take 13 dwarves alone. Aragorns sword (Narsil) can't just cut of anything like that. Boromir has a shield that will help him, but dwarves are strong enough ti break it I guess. Legolas, will be a big threat and a reason to why the fellowship wins. Aragorn is no ordinary human and you know it. His a son of kings and a numenorian. battle is in his blood 😛 Gimli is just like any other dwarf it seems to me.
But why get stuck on this battle?

your new battle and an answer on my latest please.

Gandalf won't take them alone, but I suspect he would be able to. His magic could keep them at bay, he can create a shield around himself, he can use fire against them, lightning etc.

Aragorn's sword can cut of most things, and will easily cut off the handels of the axes.

The same goes for Boromir, he is an ordinary human, yet he kicks more ass than most humans do. Remember how he took out a shitload of Uruk's, who are said to be above the ordinary man. 😛

For those dwarves, two of them were barley experienced, they were young and I bet they wouldn't be to capable in a fight. One is a fat lazy bastard. There you have 3 that are not up to Gimli for example!

And I don't know the other person(s) so I can't say who's gonna win, I don't wanna just take one like I've already done once or twice!

I'm not sure aout Gandalf creating a shield around himself. I havn't seen any textual evidence of this, and especially not for sustained periods of time. Any sort of potent magic would be very taxing Gandalf can't defeat enemies en mass by his magic alone. We've got to remember he is encased in the body of an old man.

Well more seeing as how he defended himself with a shield against the strikes from the sword of the Balrog, and in the games (although not necessarily true) he can protect himself from attacks as well for a while!

Though I don't see Gandalf as a uber fighter with magics, he is capable (as show in Biblo) to create lightning that fries an entire room of goblins, fire that sets fire to a pretty large pack of wolves, heating up Aragorn's sword to the degree that he cannot hold it and causing Gimli's axe to slip out of his hand, and Legolas arrows to burn up. (Or however that statement is). He is capable at least...

Originally posted by kamikz
Well more seeing as how he defended himself with a shield against the strikes from the sword of the Balrog, and in the games (although not necessarily true) he can protect himself from attacks as well for a while!

Though I don't see Gandalf as a uber fighter with magics, he is capable (as show in Biblo) to create lightning that fries an entire room of goblins, fire that sets fire to a pretty large pack of wolves, heating up Aragorn's sword to the degree that he cannot hold it and causing Gimli's axe to slip out of his hand, and Legolas arrows to burn up. (Or however that statement is). He is capable at least...

I see what you mean, it's just that some of the examples you have given are the movie way not the canon book way. the sheild is something P.J made up. I don't know anything about the games but if he can do it there or not doesn't make a difference. he blocks the balrogs strike with glamdring, which is just as impressive, according to me. He doesn't heat up aragorns sword. he just drops it.
"it shone with a sudden blaze" the book says.
and legolas arrow doesn't burn up. but legolas makes a shout and shoots right up in the air. however, even if doesn't use fire to do anything of this, he still disarms three people, and I'm sure he could do that on the dwarwes as well. he did a similar thing do denethor in the return of the king. so he can disarm people, that's for sure.
The thing about tolkien and the books are that we can't really say what the people can do. It's not as in the games where you know exactly what powers they have. We can't really say what for example Manwê can do. Still I believe he would wtfpwn Gandalf. basing that on him being as powerful as morgoth.