You appear to be arguing semantics. You seem to concede that the entire Annihilation Wave at once would plow right through DC Earth. That's fine. You want to even up the odds and have the Annihilation Wave come at DC Earth piece-meal? Fine.
Annihilus' seekers (N-Zone cosmically powered beings who take down Galactus' heralds) lead the first wave, and get pwned by DC Earth. Annihilus senses this and sends a larger second wave with the Negative Zone's Centurions in tow. The 100 strongest champions from 100 worlds in the Negative Zone. DC Earth probably stops this wave only with massive losses and casulaties and world-wide destruction. DC's powerhouses are the only ones to remain and magic is probably their only trump card. Annihilus arrives himself with the Q-bands, with the rest of his Wave, with Thanos AND his Galactus Gun and that's the end most likely.
Annihilus would suck the power right out of any Sector 2814 GL ring, Quantum Band style (anybody else find that scene shocking?) with his Cosmic Rod. He'd probably suck out Superman's solar power also. Annihilus has already set up barriers against convenient sabotages like hive collective overrides/computer viruses so that would be a non-factor. And let's face it, Thanos + Galactus Gun? I don't think DC Earth's magic would help at all unless they could somehow BFR, which I never consider a win anyway, since they'd probably just come back. Annihilus wou;dn't even need Aegis or Tenebrous.
Originally posted by Milkie When there are people and things like Phantom Stranger, Nabu, Shazam, Blackbriar Thorn, Atlantis and so on. Then it's not going to be so easy at all.As far as I've seen, most of those guys are already dead. 😆 Blackbriar Thorn is still reviving himself, Nabu is gone, Shazam is gone and Atlantis was f'ed up by Spectre.
Only way for DC Earth's heroes to win is if they somehow convince Thanos to turn against Annihilus by using Galactus and the Power Cosmic against him and Aegis and Tenebrous. Or if they can somehow nab the Ultimate Nullifier or turn the Galactus Gun back onto the Wave, which Thanos as steward, would most likely never allow. Or if maybe Aegis and Tenebrous backstab Annihilus, but then again, Aegis and Tenebrous would probably destroy DC Earth themselves afterwards so that would net them nothing. Only real feasible way for DC Earth to win is if they somehow free Galactus and the Surfer, restore them to full power with magic (somehow...) and make a deal with them to fight off Annihilus, Thanos, Aegis and Tenebrous. That seem to be the only solution, other than the Ultimate Nullifer, I see MU having against 'Annihilation.' But as far as I've seen so far? Annihilus is badass. I wonder how it'll turn out.
Annihilation Wave 8/10
Only way for DC Earth's heroes to win is if they somehow convince Thanos to turn against Annihilus by using Galactus and the Power Cosmic against him and Aegis and Tenebrous. Or if they can somehow nab the Ultimate Nullifier or turn the Galactus Gun back onto the Wave, which Thanos as steward, would most likely never allow. Or if maybe Aegis and Tenebrous backstab Annihilus, but then again, Aegis and Tenebrous would probably destroy DC Earth themselves afterwards so that would net them nothing. Only real feasible way for DC Earth to win is if they somehow free Galactus and the Surfer, restore them to full power with magic (somehow...) and make a deal with them to fight off Annihilus, Thanos, Aegis and Tenebrous. That seem to be the only solution, other than the Ultimate Nullifer, I see MU having against 'Annihilation.' But as far as I've seen so far? Annihilus is badass. I wonder how it'll turn out.
There some flaws in your logic. It assumes that Thanos, Aegis and Tenebrous are so awesome no one from DC Earth can stop them. Once again the Spectre could take down the two cosmics. Thanos could be at the very least roughed up and mounted on the Source wall by DC's Earth's greatest heroes.
Annihilus would suck the power right out of any Sector 2814 GL ring, Quantum Band style (anybody else find that scene shocking?) with his Cosmic Rod. He'd probably suck out Superman's solar power also. Annihilus has already set up barriers against convenient sabotages like hive collective overrides/computer viruses so that would be a non-factor. And let's face it, Thanos + Galactus Gun? I don't think DC Earth's magic would help at all unless they could somehow BFR, which I never consider a win anyway, since they'd probably just come back. Annihilus wou;dn't even need Aegis or Tenebrous.
I don't see why BFR isn't a viable win. The JLA have been shown to have large scale phantom zone projectors. That'd slow down most of the wave. There's always other options. Boom tube some of them back to the dawn of time to keep Imperiex company.
By that same note Zatanna could also say 'Cosmic rod is now in the sun' backwards. He's not invincible.
Originally posted by GalvaclawI'm pretty sure Thanos could take down any of the major DC heroes one on one. Even Superman. But even if you disagree with that, Aegis and tenebrous aren' just cosmics. They're Galactus level beings. MU's cosmos is basically Eternity, Death and Galactus. That's the basic trinity. You really think Spectre could take down two beings that are each as powerful and as fundamental as one of that trinity? Pfft. Spectre got manhandled by Parallax, manipulated by Eclipso and always uses magic absorption to take down big enemies, which the Annihilation Wave does not rely on in the least. Like I said, magic might account for some wins, IF AND ONLY IF, the Annihilation Wave comes in waves. If it comes all at once, fuggedaboutit, it'd be too late for Spectre to gather enough magic to wipe out the Wave.
There some flaws in your logic. It assumes that Thanos, Aegis and Tenebrous are so awesome no one from DC Earth can stop them. Once again the Spectre could take down the two cosmics. Thanos could be at the very least roughed up and mounted on the Source wall by DC's Earth's greatest heroes.
Originally posted by GalvaclawSigh. People still use BFR as an actual win? Whatever. But to refute that point, Thanos has got teleportation. And not Nightcrawler-style personal teleportation, he's got "put-a-galactic-armada-anywhere-you-want-level teleportation," which is why he's so fundamental to the Wave. He'd teleport them right back. Also, Zatanna would have to know about Annihilus' Cosmic Rod for that spell to work and in this scenario, the Wave attacks DC Earth without DC Earth being warned. So that probably wouldn't work since DC Earth would probably be wondering what the hell's going on as they swarm all over. She'd probably be a casualty of war when the Centurions attack anyway. As far as I can tell, she can't just say, "Annihilation Wave is destroyed" backwards and win it for DC Earth. She's got limits too.
I don't see why BFR isn't a viable win. The JLA have been shown to have large scale phantom zone projectors. That'd slow down most of the wave. There's always other options. Boom tube some of them back to the dawn of time to keep Imperiex company.By that same note Zatanna could also say 'Cosmic rod is now in the sun' backwards. He's not invincible.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindHow powerful is he exactly?
JJ Thunder wishes them all into candy.
My opinion:
Baring Spectre, and waiting to see how powerful that guy is, the wave crushes them.
Comparing, just for something to do:
Even with prep, I don't see Marvel Earth doing anything to this wave.
Who are they going to place against this wave, on the frontlines?
Annihilation Wave:
1000 champions. (Centerions)
Millions of men, and doglike creatures.
1000's of ships.
Motherships, and other bigger ships.
Annihilus's ship.
Annihilus.
Ravenous.
Thanos.
Skreets.
Tenebrous.
Aegis.
Terrax.
Galactus gun.
Silver Surfer. (unknown his role)
More are left to be discovered.
^^^^
Now everyone of those things besides Aegis, and Tenebrous, and maybe the Centerions, have Thanos tech.