I'd actually have to take the Annihilation Wave. The thread indicator specified that DC Earth didn't see it coming, so Annihilus could just fire a planet buster from orbit and take out the Earth and a vast majority of Earth's heroes before they could counter attack. After that it's just a one-sided numbers and firepower advantage for the Wave.
Originally posted by JuntaiYeah. Aegis and Tenebrous survived the Big Crunch and the Big Bang. Your point? Spectre destroys and recreates the universe? Guess who'd probably survive that, since that is central to their character, say it with me now: Galactus, Aegis and Tenebrous. You're so quick to throw out a Spectre feat that you fail to see how utterly pointless it would be when it comes to these beings. It's like Firelord vs Super Skrull. A Firelord fanboy squeals about how Firelord can generate star level temperatures, but forgets that Super Skrull can absorb infinite levels of heat.
What is that? Random assumption?How about we play the feat game with T & A vs Spectre.
. . . Just to guage who's more powerful.
Zero Hour, issue 0, Spectre creates the Big Bang.
Your go.
Or is this a lopsided game?
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. . . And let's not forget that Spectre, when allowed by God can do those feats, fullpower so to speak... ever wonder what Galactus is like at full power? He becomes equal to the representation of everything that is in the universe. The Alpha and Omega of existence.
Your go.
Game's not lopsided, it just looks like that when you're on the losing side.
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Originally posted by Galan777God's wrath versus God's personification of cosmic balance? Beings who are equal to one of MU's Trinity (Eternity, Death and Galactus)? Yeah. Ok. Nice comparison there. And Spectre sucks against cosmic abstracts. He couldn't do crap to Parallax. He can't do anything about antimatter. He's all about magic. It's about time DC writers started recognizing that and bringing him back to his roots.
So now there are people that think 2 Galactus level beings are more powerful then Spectre; the wrath of God?
Either way, since you Spectre fans keep touting that Spectre is omniversal ub3rness, leave him out of this thread. It was explicitly about DC Earth vs Annihilation Wave. Not DC Universe vs Annihilation Wave. Although its not suprising, DC Earth usually resorts to throwing some powerful deity character at a problem to overcome their crises... 'Final Night,' 'Crisis on infinite Earths,' 'Zero Hour.' Yeah, DC Earth needs some extra help, this thread is too one-sided. I say make it DC Earth's heroes vs Annihilus and his Wave's forces w/o Aegis, Tenebrous or Galactus Gun. But as I posted before, the invasion is over by the 3rd wave when Annihilus himself comes a knocking with Thanos in tow.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0God's own wrath is much different then universal balance...... How are you putting a Galactus level being against God's wrath? I take it you dont read much Spectre do you?
God's wrath versus God's personification of cosmic balance? Beings who are equal to one of MU's Trinity (Eternity, Death and Galactus)?.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Not really
Yeah. Ok. Nice comparison there..
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Really? I seem to remamber Spectre beating Parallax in Zero Hour 🙄
And Spectre sucks against cosmic abstracts. He couldn't do crap to Parallax..
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Spectre Prime is a DC Earth character. Tied to a human soul, he's often seen wandering the Earth, and creates other versions of himself across the omniverse to exact vengence.
Yeah. Aegis and Tenebrous survived the Big Crunch and the Big Bang. Your point? Spectre destroys and recreates the universe? Guess who'd probably survive that, since that is central to their character, say it with me now: Galactus, Aegis and Tenebrous. You're so quick to throw out a Spectre feat that you fail to see how utterly pointless it would be when it comes to these beings. It's like Firelord vs Super Skrull. A Firelord fanboy squeals about how Firelord can generate star level temperatures, but forgets that Super Skrull can absorb infinite levels of heat.. . . And let's not forget that Spectre, when allowed by God can do those feats, fullpower so to speak... ever wonder what Galactus is like at full power? He becomes equal to the representation of everything that is in the universe. The Alpha and Omega of existence.
Your go.
Game's not lopsided, it just looks like that when you're on the losing side.
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God's wrath versus God's personification of cosmic balance? Beings who are equal to one of MU's Trinity (Eternity, Death and Galactus)? Yeah. Ok. Nice comparison there. And Spectre sucks against cosmic abstracts. He couldn't do crap to Parallax. He can't do anything about antimatter. He's all about magic. It's about time DC writers started recognizing that and bringing him back to his roots.Either way, since you Spectre fans keep touting that Spectre is omniversal ub3rness, leave him out of this thread. It was explicitly about DC Earth vs Annihilation Wave. Not DC Universe vs Annihilation Wave. Although its not suprising, DC Earth usually resorts to throwing some powerful deity character at a problem to overcome their crises... 'Final Night,' 'Crisis on infinite Earths,' 'Zero Hour.' Yeah, DC Earth needs some extra help, this thread is too one-sided. I say make it DC Earth's heroes vs Annihilus and his Wave's forces w/o Aegis, Tenebrous or Galactus Gun. But as I posted before, the invasion is over by the 3rd wave when Annihilus himself comes a knocking with Thanos in tow.
Spectre has problems with cosmics?
Ever read a Spectre comic, or just the crossovers?
A lot of what he deals with is abstracts, and he does just fine.
Galactus might have the purpose of doing those things, but thats not how he's portrayed, so it's irrelivent. He hasn't evolved to that level yet. Show me a comic in current continuity of 616 Galactus destroying or recreating a multiverse. Either way, Galactus isn't involved. Shit, this guy got beat by Invisible Woman.
Spectre can't defeat Parallax?
He drained away all his power and faded out of the fight. The heros wrapping it up didn't mean much. Hal started fistfighting people after blasting Spectre the final time. Spectre appeared a few panels later just fine and recreated the big bang.
Apperently you haven't read the History of the DCUniverse. Spectre is the one who defeated him according to it.
Also, according to Hal himself as he questioned the irony of him becoming The Spectre - the one who stopped him before. And even mentioned how with Spectre's infinite power, it would be so much easier to accomplish.
He also compared the power he wielded in life, as a flickering candle next to an exploding sun, compared to Spectre's power.
Not that an of that matters, G nor A nor T could stand up to Parallax either. Unless you got some proof to allow anyone to believe such.
Spectre as normally portrayed, doesn't need to be "ALLOWED BY GOD" or "FULL POWERED" to do anything. Spectre is the Logoz, it is a piece of God tied to a human soul.
Seriously, break out the feats, lets see how they stack up.
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Matter of fact, I'll make a thread just involving that particular fight, so this one doesn't get congested with it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah. Aegis and Tenebrous survived the Big Crunch and the Big Bang. Your point? Spectre destroys and recreates the universe? Guess who'd probably survive that, since that is central to their character, say it with me now: Galactus, Aegis and Tenebrous. You're so quick to throw out a Spectre feat that you fail to see how utterly pointless it would be when it comes to these beings. It's like Firelord vs Super Skrull. A Firelord fanboy squeals about how Firelord can generate star level temperatures, but forgets that Super Skrull can absorb infinite levels of heat.. . . And let's not forget that Spectre, when allowed by God can do those feats, fullpower so to speak... ever wonder what Galactus is like at full power? He becomes equal to the representation of everything that is in the universe. The Alpha and Omega of existence.
Your go.
Game's not lopsided, it just looks like that when you're on the losing side.
😮💨
God's wrath versus God's personification of cosmic balance? Beings who are equal to one of MU's Trinity (Eternity, Death and Galactus)? Yeah. Ok. Nice comparison there. And Spectre sucks against cosmic abstracts. He couldn't do crap to Parallax. He can't do anything about antimatter. He's all about magic. It's about time DC writers started recognizing that and bringing him back to his roots.Either way, since you Spectre fans keep touting that Spectre is omniversal ub3rness, leave him out of this thread. It was explicitly about DC Earth vs Annihilation Wave. Not DC Universe vs Annihilation Wave. Although its not suprising, DC Earth usually resorts to throwing some powerful deity character at a problem to overcome their crises... 'Final Night,' 'Crisis on infinite Earths,' 'Zero Hour.' Yeah, DC Earth needs some extra help, this thread is too one-sided. I say make it DC Earth's heroes vs Annihilus and his Wave's forces w/o Aegis, Tenebrous or Galactus Gun. But as I posted before, the invasion is over by the 3rd wave when Annihilus himself comes a knocking with Thanos in tow.
What a pile of shit seriously what the hell are you taking.
Originally posted by Galan777You stupid butt nuggets. I haven't called someone that since I was five years old. I say that now because it feels like I'm talking to five year olds now.
God's own wrath is much different then universal balance...... How are you putting a Galactus level being against God's wrath? I take it you dont read much Spectre do you?Not really
Really? I seem to remamber Spectre beating Parallax in Zero Hour 🙄
Spectre couldn't do crap to Parallax. Truth. Read 'Green Lantern: Rebirth,' you nimrods. I don't give a crap about Hallax from 'Zero Hour' (otherwise known as the sequel DC wishes they could forget). I'm talking about the cosmic personification of fear...
... the big yellow fugging thing that looked like an insect with ten jaws. Yes, you can apologize now for being stupid.
Spectre and the Wrath of God could not do anything, in fact his powers were being manipulated by Parallax, subverted. Hence, the analogy that Spectre seems essentially ineffective against cosmic beings that appear to be part of the cosmic consonance. Because Spectre is in fact, ineffective against things. Parallax being one of them, antimatter being another.
It also makes sense that Spectre only works against beings who do wrong. So in the cosmic scheme of life and God's plan, how can Galactus ever be judged? He is beyond morals and judgement, there is no wrong to be judged, no wrath to be assessed. Galactus is far more than a giant with a purple suit who eats worlds. Guess you don't read much Galactus do you?
Being the End and Beginning of all that is, isn't on par with the Wrath of God? Are you kidding me? What are you guys, so in love with wrath and being emo that you can't figure out what being the alpha and omega of existence, is in terms of God? He is the personifcation of the 'Cycle of God.' He is the Balance Bringer. 'Rebirth and Balance' vs 'Being Pissed Off.' Nuff said.
Aegis and Tenebrous, feared even by Galactus and as far as we've been told, his peers and equals. No contest when you amp them all to full power. What roles, Aegis and Tenebrous serve in the cosmic consonance will be interesting to discover.
I'd probably agree with you Deathstroke. Given enough magic, Spectre could probably cut right through the Seekers, the Centurions, all of his space armadas and Thanos and Annihilus himself barring some plot device, like Power Cosmic hurts Spectre bad. The thing is, a possible caveat to that is, Annihilus is just taking back the expanse of space the normal universe expanded into and took over in his Negative Zone. That's what started the whole Annihilus Wave. So you could argue that Annihilus isn't 'evil' per say, he's just taking back the territory the normal universe destroyed. But that is streching it and reaching for some plot-device to prevent Spectre from entering the fray.
Which is the reason why, Spectre is probably best left out of the thread since the OP stated DC Earth vs Annihilation Wave and not DC Universe. To be fair, I think we can agree to leave out Aegis and Tenebrous since they're only in there as partners and not as Annihilus' minions. Just as Spectre wouldn't be DC Earth and under orders from the Justice Leaue, it's just as fair to say Aegis and Tenebrous are not a part of the Annihilation Wave. But for those who are interested in that matchup, check out this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t428332.html
Originally posted by bigbran
How powerful is he exactly?My opinion:
Baring Spectre, and waiting to see how powerful that guy is, the wave crushes them.Comparing, just for something to do:
Even with prep, I don't see Marvel Earth doing anything to this wave.
Who are they going to place against this wave, on the frontlines?Annihilation Wave:
1000 champions. (Centerions)
Millions of men, and doglike creatures.
1000's of ships.
Motherships, and other bigger ships.
Annihilus's ship.
Annihilus.
Ravenous.
Thanos.
Skreets.
Tenebrous.
Aegis.
Terrax.
Galactus gun.
Silver Surfer. (unknown his role)
More are left to be discovered.^^^^
Now everyone of those things besides Aegis, and Tenebrous, and maybe the Centerions, have Thanos tech.
Barring PIS... JJ thunders genie can do anything. He's a 5th dimensional imp.
Add to that the fact that the current Ion resides on Earth along with a skyfather level shazam, phantom stranger, and a current Spectre.
Black Alice is a hell of a wildcard, and Superman's kryptonian tech is back to precrisis bad ass levels. That suncrystal alone is pwnage...especially when used correctly.
Add that DC earth has done some incredible sh*t like giving the whole world powers on a whim (against Mageddon) and that Lexcorp can create it's own Superpowered beings and I'd say that the tides are favorable for DC earth.
