Originally posted by Soljer
Unless I see some evidence of the Wrecker dealing with foes as speedy as spidey, or Spiderman damaging foes as tough as the Wrecker.
Titania, Rhino, Firelord (yeah, dumb fight, but he legitimately took him out), Hulk (again, possibly bad writing, but it has happened). There's probably others I'm forgetting too.
Hell, he briefly punked Masterson-Thor once, and Thor couldn't touch him.
Wrecker wouldn't touch him. Ever. He'd get in a bunch of good one-liners, then mop the floor with him and go home to MJ.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Titania, Rhino, Firelord (yeah, dumb fight, but he legitimately took him out), Hulk (again, possibly bad writing, but it has happened). There's probably others I'm forgetting too.Hell, he briefly punked Masterson-Thor once, and Thor couldn't touch him.
Wrecker wouldn't touch him. Ever. He'd get in a bunch of good one-liners, then mop the floor with him and go home to MJ.
Meh, of the ones you listed the only SLIGHTLY legit one would be Titania.
Rhino is...well...Rhino.
Firelord, a herald who can withstand the temperatures and pressures associated with space travel should NEVER have been PHASED by class 10-15 punches. Same goes for the Hulk.
I can't speak on the Masterson Thor case, I haven't read it myself. 😬.
The thing with titania though is the fact he kept getting hits in while she got none weaking her enough so throwing her out a window would be effective,, and she is only class 50 I belive. Wrecker is stronger I'm pretty sure more durable and there won't be any tall buildings for Spidey to throw him out of....
Originally posted by Soljer
Meh, of the ones you listed the only SLIGHTLY legit one would be Titania.Rhino is...well...Rhino.
Firelord, a herald who can withstand the temperatures and pressures associated with space travel should NEVER have been PHASED by class 10-15 punches. Same goes for the Hulk.
I can't speak on the Masterson Thor case, I haven't read it myself. 😬.
So Titania is legitimate. You're just ignoring Rhino by writing him off as a jobber rather than giving any credit, and your comments tell me you didn't even read the Firelord fight. Pete puts him through a ton of stuff, most of it well beyond class 10-15 punches. Point-blank city-block-destroying explosions,getting leveled by a speeding subway car, etc. The punches just finished him off.
Seems to me like no one is offering anything resembling proof other than the fact that Wrecker is stronger. Like I said, slow morons like this are what Spider-Man is built for, regardless of who they've fought in the past or how much stronger they are.
So no, a few punches won't do a whole lot. But dozens and hundreds will. And, presuming this isn't in a desert or something, cars smashing into him with a ton of force (and similar forces) will be par for the course as well. And Wrecker will never touch him....any of the fights I've mentioned (and many others I didn't) are more than ample proof of this.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
So Titania is legitimate. You're just ignoring Rhino by writing him off as a jobber rather than giving any credit, and your comments tell me you didn't even read the Firelord fight. Pete puts him through a ton of stuff, most of it well beyond class 10-15 punches. Point-blank city-block-destroying explosions,getting leveled by a speeding subway car, etc. The punches just finished him off.Seems to me like no one is offering anything resembling proof other than the fact that Wrecker is stronger. Like I said, slow morons like this are what Spider-Man is built for, regardless of who they've fought in the past or how much stronger they are.
logan heals from a skeleton before does that make it ok? You trying to say a Guy who was said to have beat thor ass he has the power of a god will lose to spiderman? did you see how easily he hit spiderman? also you keep assuem the enw and aproved wrecker is some slow poke.
Originally posted by capt it up
I love how wolverine taking down hulk is PIS but when spiderman does it it OK even though spiderman has no way of hurting hulk.logan heals from a skeleton before does that make it ok? You trying to say a Guy who was said to have beat thor ass he has the power of a god will lose to spiderman? did you see how easily he hit spiderman? also you keep assuem the enw and aproved wrecker is some slow poke.
When did Wolverine enter the fight?
And I never said it wasn't PIS. Spidey beating Hulk was as much bad writing as Logan beating him.
So please don't put words in my mouth to make yourself seem like some enlightened sufferer for your character.
And we established Wrecker at under class 100 a while back. If you want to try and prove that wrong, fine...I have no problem conceding the point if other evidence is presented. And yes, he's lots slower than Spidey.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
When did Wolverine enter the fight?And I never said it wasn't PIS. Spidey beating Hulk was as much bad writing as Logan beating him.
So please don't put words in my mouth to make yourself seem like some enlightened sufferer for your character.
And we established Wrecker at under class 100 a while back. If you want to try and prove that wrong, fine...I have no problem conceding the point if other evidence is presented. And yes, he's lots slower than Spidey.
also did not the wrecker recently thrash thor before he fought the new avengers? also did not the wrecker thrash the new avengers? was not spiderman on the team? does not the wrecker have god level powers?
Originally posted by capt it up
Why are you using PIS examples? If there PIS wwhy bring them up?also did not the wrecker recently thrash thor before he fought the new avengers? also did not the wrecker thrash the new avengers? was not spiderman on the team? does not the wrecker have god level powers?
Well, you're the one asking the questions....why not tell me rather than present it as a needless rhetorical?
And contrary to widely held belief, I don't consider Titania, Rhino, or even the Firelord fight to be PIS.
Firelord, you say? Blasphemy! Yeah, I know, but stay with me. First, read the issue if you haven't (full scans in the respect thread). 2nd, the only PIS is that Firelord didn't use the Nova-blast to destroy the entire city. He wanted to just beat SM, not everyone. The entire fight other than that is legitimate.
Spidey not getting hit by people isn't PIS. It's happened a laughable number of times, even with much faster opponents than Wrecker. Much faster.
Maybe I'm underestimating Wrecker's durability, so it might just be a big fat stalemate. I'm not an expert on him, and have only seen a few showings. I haven't presented this as a black-and-white argument, I've just defended Pete against posters who seem to think that anyone above him in strength or durability automatically gets the win against him, since I'm better qualified than most to do so.
Originally posted by capt it up
I love how wolverine taking down hulk is PIS but when spiderman does it it OK even though spiderman has no way of hurting hulk.logan heals from a skeleton before does that make it ok? You trying to say a Guy who was said to have beat thor ass he has the power of a god will lose to spiderman? did you see how easily he hit spiderman? also you keep assuem the enw and aproved wrecker is some slow poke.
spider-man knows he cant outslug guys like this so quite simply he outsmarts them plays on their weaknesses and plays on their vanity versitility beats raw power 9/10 that's how he's able to get the job done not by outfighting them by by outsmarting them
Originally posted by Metalmanx
In all fairness, Wrecker should never have been an actual challenge for Thor. 😬And well, Wrecker is some slow poke. Improved or not.
And Titania was only class 50, not Hulk-strong. Nor did she have an insane healing factor.
Technically Wrecker stands no chance against Thor.
Especially considering that Thing usually kicks his ass