Wrecker vs. Spiderman

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No, he was still fighting as is but he didn;t have was his magical protection that allowed Wrecker to take his shots, but didn't allow Wrecker to take his. Loki was suppose to get Wrecker's power from the Norn Queen and was said to be multiple times stronger than Thor. Wrecker is suppose to be stronger than him.

Wrecker, the guy who's been one shotted by Thing, Toxin, and Thor himself is supposed to be stronger than Thor? Uh huh... 😐

Thor's the only one who thought he had "strength imeasurable", It's no different than Spiderman saying he's got 40X human speed and reflexes, and Wolverine saying he can cut through ANYTHING, it's just a speculative self analyzation without proof, and STILL: He was impressed by Wrecker lifting a crane? He had to strain himself completely to push aside a bulldozer?

He had been stripped of his powers.. he had mortal strength.. Strong? Sure. Thor strong? HELLLLL NO... that's not even up for debate.
Loki got KOed by a regular guy with a crowbar for god sakes... They were no where NEAR the same incarnations. as they're normal selves...

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I know that, but Hercules has said out of everyone it was them who did the worse damage and it was them who made him lost his confidence. I never EVER said they didn't get a cheap shot in as it was Atlas who even put him on the floor for them to pound.

SO WHAT?
It's like if you just got the crap kicked out of you by a heavyweight boxer and then a street gang came and started beating you with chains and uh crowbars, OF COURSE that you make you feel violated and helpless.. but it wouldn't be due to a straight fight, and while you never said that you back tracking dunce, you DID imply that they could, or rather that Wrecker could... TWICE....

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Majority time he isn't, classic Wrecker and classic Wrecking Crew were beasts that nearly killed Hercules and Thor at the same time.

Originally posted by jinzin
You're honestly trying to pass that off as if the Wrecking Crew are capible of doing that in a straight fight?... 😐 wow....

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yes, as they have done so in the past.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually yeah not just in this thread but many on this board they have said they are weak. Once again the respect threads shows that their on a far higher level then SPider-Man. He doesn't just have physical strength he has so much more.

No said otherwise, stop trying to strawman.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Thor has never one shooted him or Hulk, and yes Thing and Toxin has beaten him AND the Crew and you don't think that's PIS when they have shown to take on Thor, Alpha Flight, etc? The Crew have taken blows from Thor and literally laughed at him, but Thing? errr? It's like when Hulk got beat by a snake or Wolverine with an elk, it's PIS. Yet, you always seem to simply look the other way if it's a bad showing for Wolverine but god forbid it happens to someone else you jump all over it.

Again there's far more showings to the contrary... he's lost easily TWICE to a full powered Thor, been beaten down hard a couple more times, got Koed by cap and wasp, got beaten by cap and wasp AGAIN, got Koed by Thunderball's ball in a fight with Iron Fist, Humiliated by Cap's speed and agility, One shotted by thing, one shotted by Toxin, stalemated by Iron Fist, stalemated by Thunderball (who's bean beaten by cap, stalemated by venom, and schooled by spidey)
hell even in the new avengers bit which wrote him up just to be competive while writing all the other heroes down, he got Koed after four or five blows from high end streeters.

The good feats he does have have him temporarily powered up, heroes temporarily powered down, getting cheap shots, using overwhelming numbers and any of a number of ridiculous things that he doesn't have or use as a standard.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Yeah but not seriously weakened, and yes the upgrade is now his powerset. Of course I admited it, I tell every time there is an upgrade or downgrade and show the whole fight. I cover everything not just scans that will make him look good. Well considering all those times Hulk was in a pissed off mood and in mid-fight and when Wrecker hit him he was listening to Thundeball's speech and then he attacked him. Did you see the scan at all? It wasn't a truely pissed off Hulk who is in battle mode and that's a HUGE difference. So when other people do PIS events it's garbage, but when Wolverine does it it's legit? hmmmm...

The difference here is that Wrecker can't one shot a mortal Thor, or a drunken and beaten Herc, He's failed to one shot Wolverine, He failed to one shot Spiderman, he failed to one shot a low powered Thunderball.
Hulk NOT IN PISSED OFF MODE has stood up from hitting Earth from orbit, stood up to everything the UFOES could dish out, stood up to a straight Moljnir cheap shot, stood up an A bomb at ground zero etc etc... but wrecker KO's Hulk once and that's his standard? That's like saying Iron Man's going to one punch Hulk as HIS standard...
The contradition there is absurd.

Wrecker is tough, but Spiderman would beat him on average IMO... maybe not BRB wrecking wrecker but regs wrecker gets beaten IMO.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wrecker, the guy who's been one shotted by Thing, Toxin, and Thor himself is supposed to be stronger than Thor? Uh huh... 😐

Thor's the only one who thought he had "strength imeasurable", It's no different than Spiderman saying he's got 40X human speed and reflexes, and Wolverine saying he can cut through ANYTHING, it's just a speculative self analyzation without proof, and STILL: He was impressed by Wrecker lifting a crane? He had to strain himself completely to push aside a bulldozer?

He had been stripped of his powers.. he had mortal strength.. Strong? Sure. Thor strong? HELLLLL NO... that's not even up for debate.
Loki got KOed by a regular guy with a crowbar for god sakes... They were no where NEAR the same incarnations. as they're normal selves...

Yes, that's why Loki wanted the powers from the Norm Queen in the first place. Then after his first apperance they mentioned it again the Wrecker was stronger. Hulk has gotten beat by a snake, and Thor has gotten beat by Spider-Man before. People job, does that mean you should take away what level their suppose to be at?

Nope in his first apperance the Writer [caption], Loki and Thor both made comment about his strength. Errr? he has lifted an apartment building too in the same issue and was physically manhandling Thor. Look at Wendigo we know he super stronger, but does he have any lifting feats? None what's so ever, only direct comments from Hulk, captions, etc.

Once again if you read the issue, it directly states 3 seperate times Thor possssed his incalcuable strength, and yes Loki was powerless as he does not have his natural strength he had to learn how to be a mystic and Odin took his enchanment away. Yeah that was Wrecker who did it and shortly after and before that they make mention Thor STILL possessed his incalcuable strength. That's not up for debate that's a fact.

Originally posted by jinzin

SO WHAT?
It's like if you just got the crap kicked out of you by a heavyweight boxer and then a street gang came and started beating you with chains and uh crowbars, OF COURSE that you make you feel violated and helpless.. but it wouldn't be due to a straight fight, and while you never said that you back tracking dunce, you DID imply that they could, or rather that Wrecker could... TWICE....

What? no it's not the same, and he wasn't getting kick the shit out of the other people. It's when the Crew started to attack him he made comment with each hit they broke his bones. My god he has stated it was the Crew that did all the damage and that it was the Crew that put the fear into him. No one else, and no one else did the damage they did. So if you want to simply ignore that, go right ahead you have been ignoring every other Crew high showing. Actually no, your using out of context quotes where the Crew have shown they can be a physical match for Thor or Hercules.

Originally posted by jinzin

No said otherwise, stop trying to strawman.

haha are you kidding me? you said characters like Luke Cage could beat him.

Originally posted by jinzin
OMG, Here's the thing, Hulk HAS one shotted him, Thor HAS one shotted him, and infact called him a petty annoyance when he did it, A PETTY ANNOYANCE is all the respect Wrecker gets from Thor when he's not getting cheap shots, using overwhelming numbers and/or attacking Thor when he's been made mortal.

The thing about your claim to PIS is that it hinges on Wrecker being at a consistent level above characters like Herc and Thor in spite of more showings to the contrary.. He laughed at a weakened Thor in a classic state that he was relenquished of... when he attacked a normal Thor, Thor schooled him hard.

Again there's far more showings to the contrary... he's lost easily TWICE to a full powered Thor, been beaten down hard a couple more times, got Koed by cap and wasp, got beaten by cap and wasp AGAIN, got Koed by Thunderball's ball in a fight with Iron Fist, Humiliated by Cap's speed and agility, One shotted by thing, one shotted by Toxin, stalemated by Iron Fist, stalemated by Thunderball (who's bean beaten by cap, stalemated by venom, and schooled by spidey)
hell even in the new avengers bit which wrote him up just to be competive while writing all the other heroes down, he got Koed after four or five blows from high end streeters.

The good feats he does have have him temporarily powered up, heroes temporarily powered down, getting cheap shots, using overwhelming numbers and any of a number of ridiculous things that he doesn't have or use as a standard.

I don't think you get Wrecker's level when he got one-shooted back in the past is when he divided his power with the Crew and got weaker, then when he found Ulik he was able to retain his strength while giving his power to the rest. Context is everything, and Wrecker has SHOWN not once, but many times to be able to hang with Thor, Hercules, Hulk, Sasquatch, etc.

Where did he relenquish that? you have no proof it's writers who made the Crew and him job. Such as Piledriver got beat by Hawkeye with arrows yet how many times have we seen him to be bulletproof? Wow so basically you look at ONE apperance and that determines his comic base? hmmm.....yes, let's ignore all the times where he said Wrecker was his equal and a fearsome foe. Yes, lets.

Actually there isn't, and uuuuuuh once again PIS. Wrecker has shown to tag Northstar with ease, but Cap to fast? Hell Captain America even schooled King Thor in hand to hand, so might as well take that as legit. Also the fact we have seen Thunderball trie to overthrow Wrecker and each time he was put into his place as he was the stronger one. I love the fact you so stead fast by PIS, low-showings yet rules of the board contradict what your saying. Hell Spider-Man has ko'ed Thor, Quicksilver, Invisible Woman in one attack do we take that as legit too?

NO! those were temporary powerups they are suppose to be their actual powerset. Just like how Spider-Man got powered up in the Others, it's his power now for good. No where was it ever stated their powerups were only temporay, or do you have proof?

Originally posted by jinzin

When have I ever argued that Wolverine has LEGIT PIS events? I'm fairly confident that I've readily admitted that Wolverine's PIS isn't legit, just that it did indeed happen...

The difference here is that Wrecker can't one shot a mortal Thor, or a drunken and beaten Herc, He's failed to one shot Wolverine, He failed to one shot Spiderman, he failed to one shot a low powered Thunderball.
Hulk NOT IN PISSED OFF MODE has stood up from hitting Earth from orbit, stood up to everything the UFOES could dish out, stood up to a straight Moljnir cheap shot, stood up an A bomb at ground zero etc etc... but wrecker KO's Hulk once and that's his standard? That's like saying Iron Man's going to one punch Hulk as HIS standard...
The contradition there is absurd.

Wrecker is tough, but Spiderman would beat him on average IMO... maybe not BRB wrecking wrecker but regs wrecker gets beaten IMO.

Quite a few times actually, you say his high showings have happened and that people shouldn't simply ignore them. You have said that several times, even though

Thor/Hercules starts out at a higher level than a calm Thor so don't even compare the two. Yet, they showed Wrecker easily break Thunderball's arm with just a handshake. That was Professor Hulk and he used his smarts to beat them and didn't rely on strength and durability, in Heroes for Hire they knocked the Hulk out with ease. Wrecker has withstood a shot from Thor and he wasn't even phazed, but as a mentioned before as noted Wrecker is suppose to be stronger then Thor. I love you will take everyone else's high-showings, but will only use Wrecker's lows. Quite fair.

Regular Wrecker is a Thor buster, heck did you see what he even did to Alpha Flight and New Avengers?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/454209_1-Thor-Hercules-Vs-Wrecking-Crew
😐

Anyway... Wrecker beats Spider-Man, handily.

Average Wrecker.. I disagree.

personally, i think it depends largely on the setting. in a city, with room to roam and a chance to out-think him, spidey could definitely take him. lock both in a small ring, spidey's going down, i think. at least for a good majority.

i'd like to see what a truly po'd spidey would do to the wrecker though, if he went completely ballistic, into that blurred-punching-and-dodging- mode. he might have enough to take out the wrecker a couple times, even at close quarters. 😬

Originally posted by leonidas
personally, i think it depends largely on the setting. in a city, with room to roam and a chance to out-think him, spidey could definitely take him. lock both in a small ring, spidey's going down, i think. at least for a good majority.

i'd like to see what a truly po'd spidey would do to the wrecker though, if he went completely ballistic, into that blurred-punching-and-dodging- mode. he might have enough to take out the wrecker a couple times, even at close quarters. 😬

Originally posted by Faceman
I'm sure Firlord could vouch for that...

That's what you think...

Originally posted by jasonk3
That's what you think...

Originally posted by Faceman
Address me as sir, when thou speaks to me.. 😱

Sir, Yes Sir.

Originally posted by jasonk3
Sir, Yes Sir.

In Secret Wars Spiderman koed one of the wrecking crew with one punch...was it piledriver or Bulldozer cant remember.

Originally posted by Arahan
In Secret Wars Spiderman koed one of the wrecking crew with one punch...was it piledriver or Bulldozer cant remember.

Don't remember that, hehe... Spiderman's the shit.

There is a difference between Wrecker and a member of the crew, he is about 4 times as strong as Piledriver, Bulldozer and Thunderball and his crowbar has some potent enchantments.

She Hulk decimated the Crew during secret wars and Spiderman beat Titania.

Things have moved on a ways since 1984.

Spiderman

Is Secret Wars still canon, or was Beyonder the only one to be retconned? Alot of the things that are being said are crazy, Spider-man beating Titania?