Originally posted by vintageSW77
(MOSS SIDE dunno if youve heard of it)
OOOOO shit!!!! I've heard of Moss side no wonder you're pissed. OK you know what I can understand why you're getting pissed off. For all you Americans thats like the English version of South Central. Still black people living in poor areas may still think that slavrey is important because they see it as a cause of why there is oppression today. Malcom X was not rich.
To be quite honest im not too bothered about slavery since Africans sold other Africans, im sensitive about race because for years I had to put up with racial abuse almost everyday at one of my schools. The only friend I had was Irish and even sometimes he could'nt stop calling me a ******. The last friend I had was Asian he hated me as well.
Anyway im not going to talk about this really, because there is still alot of shit people are not honest about, and im not strong enough to talk about it yet.
Originally posted by Alliance
Perhaps then, this is evidence against your argument.
In what way do you mean?
This is an argument, though. The racism based on economic status or the racism based on skin colour.
However, I believe there is still instutionalised racism - that there still might exist within the circle of particular economic atmosphere - although the reasearch is onto that at the moment.
No evidence indicates either way...yet.
Originally posted by Alfheim
OOOOO shit!!!! I've heard of Moss side no wonder you're pissed. OK you know what I can understand why you're getting pissed off. For all you Americans thats like the English version of South Central.
I dont live in Moss Side i unfortunatley have to travel through there from time to time.
I treat it like safari park.
As long as you keep all doors locked,dont venture out and keep your foot on the pedal your fine.
But comparing it to South Central is a bit much..sure there are a couple of hardcore gangs in "The Moss" but send the wannabe gangsters of Moss Side over to Compton for the day and theyd be crying for their mommas.
Im tired of the wannabe gangster lifestyle that is taking over the kids of the UK.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Yeah yeah. Whatever! Just get over here, because women tend to hate me and I'm not fulfilling the stereotype that all gay men have female friends coming out their ears. Women think I'm obnoxious and mysogonistic. So I need more female friends. I mean, I know lots about Persian history.
Im not a proff on Persian History, but South East European is my better side. Besides, we moved from persia like few thousand years ago. Since then, we failed to follow up as much as we should have. Since the Babylon went bust, we just...you know...moved on.
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Ha! Your post reminds me of my cousin - he is about the least stereotypical gay person ever. And he is greatest for it!
He is accepted in our family of course (openly!) - thats cos he's just too great! He'll turn any homophobe into a gay lover! (figuratively....or possibly literaly)
Originally posted by vintageSW77I'm sorry you feel the way you feel, when you go into that neighborhood. I know worrying about your safety can be a uncomfortable feeling. I will apologize on behalf of those blacks, that make you feel that way. But on another note, I will like to make a attempt to give you a better understanding on how something that happen centuries ago can still have an effect today. Generations were stripped of there families,there home land, there language, education and most of all there history. What could a parent teach there offspring. Other than what they were brainwashed with, that they are and always were slaves. To kiss the master ass or risk being lynched, in front of a parade of so called civilize white folks cheering it on. Although slavery is over, the spirit still lives on which is racism."The Physical form was put away so the mental form can come and play". What good is it to free the slaves, if your gonna make laws to keep them submissive to you. Clever on behalf of the white folks, but just as wicked as there ancestors before them. Now as free blacks, what could the parents teach there offspring. Well the same thing they taught them when they were slaves, obey the master or risk being lynched in front of a rally of so called civilize white folks with sheets over there heads. Not even a half of century ago,blacks couldn't ride in front of the bus, couldn't drink from the same water fountain as whites, couldn't eat in the same diners as whites, couldn't go to the same school as whites, couldn't get the same medical treatment as whites, couldn't go in the same parks as whites and still received the poorest education in the land. All of that and more not even a half of century ago. Ask your parents what it was like, better yet ask your grand parents they can tell you better, cause they lived it. So now your probably wondering, what does all of the above have to do with today. Well, a great deal of blacks still lack the knowledge of there history. Knowing ones history enlightens them on who they are, where they came from, what contributions they have given to the world etc. Look at todays school curriculum in the United States, what do they teach blacks about there history other then M.L.K., H. Tubman, and F. Douglas. I named them, cause these were the only ones that I can say that I've learned about growing up in school. Surely there is a lot more history to blacks than there struggle in America. Like how the Greeks learned a great deal from them years before Alexander took Egypt from the Persians. I'm not gonna say that all the blame today is all on white folks, cause blacks have more opportunity now then they ever did in this country. It is up to us to take advantage of the resources we have to wake up from the coma that was pass down to us. P.S. We are all in this world together, we need to stop saying that where civilized and start living like we are. The pass is the pass we can't change it, but we also can't forget it. Sweeping it under a rug will only leave room to have it repeat it self again.
Im white and if i paid you £1 for every white person ive met in my lifetime who said they felt guilty about how blacks were treated 300 years ago you wouldnt have enough money for a second hand copy of a Public Enemy cd.
People get f***** on this planet everyday on a daily basis...they got more things to worry about than what happened 300 years ago...they are more interested in the sh1t thats going on NOW.
Henru ....i have the same problem as you but in reverse,when i HAVE to get the bus through my local black area(MOSS SIDE dunno if youve heard of it) you know im hiding my mobile phone and Mp3 player out of sight with my fingers crossed that i aint going to get bullsh1t this time by a bunch of wannabe crips......at least you have the privelage of being able to walk through a white neighbourhood
walk into the heavily asian populated area of Glodwick and you would be leaving via ambulance........FACT.
It's funny when you think about how our quote "ancestors" viewed people different from themselves back then and what nit wits we view them as today. But i wonder what common views our society now holds today that our decedents will think as backwards 100 years from now and feel smug knowing they're better then us?
Originally posted by heru
I'm sorry you feel the way you feel, when you go into that neighborhood. I know worrying about your safety can be a uncomfortable feeling. I will apologize on behalf of those blacks, that make you feel that way. But on another note, I will like to make a attempt to give you a better understanding on how something that happen centuries ago can still have an effect today. Generations were stripped of there families,there home land, there language, education and most of all there history. What could a parent teach there offspring. Other than what they were brainwashed with, that they are and always were slaves. To kiss the master ass or risk being lynched, in front of a parade of so called civilize white folks cheering it on. Although slavery is over, the spirit still lives on which is racism."The Physical form was put away so the mental form can come and play". What good is it to free the slaves, if your gonna make laws to keep them submissive to you. Clever on behalf of the white folks, but just as wicked as there ancestors before them. Now as free blacks, what could the parents teach there offspring. Well the same thing they taught them when they were slaves, obey the master or risk being lynched in front of a rally of so called civilize white folks with sheets over there heads. Not even a half of century ago,blacks couldn't ride in front of the bus, couldn't drink from the same water fountain as whites, couldn't eat in the same diners as whites, couldn't go to the same school as whites, couldn't get the same medical treatment as whites, couldn't go in the same parks as whites and still received the poorest education in the land. All of that and more not even a half of century ago. Ask your parents what it was like, better yet ask your grand parents they can tell you better, cause they lived it. So now your probably wondering, what does all of the above have to do with today. Well, a great deal of blacks still lack the knowledge of there history. Knowing ones history enlightens them on who they are, where they came from, what contributions they have given to the world etc. Look at todays school curriculum in the United States, what do they teach blacks about there history other then M.L.K., H. Tubman, and F. Douglas. I named them, cause these were the only ones that I can say that I've learned about growing up in school. Surely there is a lot more history to blacks than there struggle in America. Like how the Greeks learned a great deal from them years before Alexander took Egypt from the Persians. I'm not gonna say that all the blame today is all on white folks, cause blacks have more opportunity now then they ever did in this country. It is up to us to take advantage of the resources we have to wake up from the coma that was pass down to us. P.S. We are all in this world together, we need to stop saying that where civilized and start living like we are. The pass is the pass we can't change it, but we also can't forget it. Sweeping it under a rug will only leave room to have it repeat it self again.
Excellently written. save for the "pass" typo. -past- (no prob) Unless you were being humorous.
So now your probably wondering, what does all of the above have to do with today. Well, a great deal of blacks still lack the knowledge of there history. Knowing ones history enlightens them on who they are, where they came from, what contributions they have given to the world etc. Look at todays school curriculum in the United States, what do they teach blacks about there history other then M.L.K., H. Tubman, and F. Douglas. I named them, cause these were the only ones that I can say that I've learned about growing up in school. Surely there is a lot more history to blacks than there struggle in America. Like how the Greeks learned a great deal from them years before Alexander took Egypt from the Persians.
And? American history classes are concerned with American history. Is this a source of shock? You probably learned about the mass Irish immigration at some point; you almost certainly didn't learn that much about Ireland itself; just enough that you can understand why the immigrants poured in. Because, you know, American history (our school had "American history" and "European history"; maybe yours had more variety).
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Originally posted by GregoryWALK IN MY SHOES SEE THROUGH MY EYES BORROW MY SKIN YOUR RECEIVE A SURPRISE.
And? American history classes are concerned with American history. Is this a source of shock? You probably learned about the mass Irish immigration at some point; you almost certainly didn't learn that much about Ireland itself; just enough that you can understand why the immigrants poured in. Because, you know, American history (our school had "American history" and "European history"; maybe yours had more variety).p.s. Paragraphs.
Originally posted by StrangeloveYou're just not getting it:
I refuse to be guilty, my great grandparents immigrated here in the 1920s
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Regardless, the prevailing theme is that everyone should feel guilty about black slavery by whites in the 1700-1800s in America. Even if you're not white or American or 300 years old.