Terry & Ryu Vs Kyo & Iori

Originally posted by brainchild81
😆 Nah man. It doesn't. Can't help it if the dude's tough. Iori was kicking @$$ back when I had the taskmaster sig & he'd still be tough whether I had him in my sig or not. That's kind of a cheap shot though. I do a damn good job of not playing favorites. Otherwise Geese'd be beating the s**t of Akuma. That can of worms shouldn't be opened. I could start calling people biased because of sigs & avvys, but I'm not. Doesn't prove anything. 😆 I expect better from you man. Try harder.

You serious? When & where? That really doesn't sound like me. Must have been ages ago. They musta been talking that "Terry beat Mars so he wins" crap. I can't see myself saying that just because of a sig or avvy. Can you quote me doing this please?

Originally posted by brainchild81
Power. & I looked up Iori & Kyo's age for you since you asked. One site says 28 for both, but Iori's a bit older than Kyo.

It'd be f**ked up if Terry came to school to pick up Rock's report card and saw Kyo there.
Terry:Hey Man! I didn't know you had a kid here.
Kyo:Uhhh. Yeah. I'm here to get his grades.
T:Well where is he?
K..........
*Rock's teacher comes out and gives the grades out.
Teacher: Here's your son's grades Mr.Bogard. @least somebody's father still cares about his education. Unlike Mr. Kusinagi!!
T:Lay off of him Ms. He's here. It's obvious that he does care about his son's education.
Teacher: What son? These are Kyo's grades we're talking about. Mr. Saisyu doesn't even come here to get them anymore.
T:You're still a student here? Daaaaaaaaaaaaayum!
K😖hut the hell up Terry! & you better not tell anybody.
*Kyo runs away crying*
T:You'd think the king of fighters could also be king of the classroom.

Originally posted by Remulous
Power? What proof do you have that is actually saying or prooving he is stronger or has more power? Has he done something TB couldn't do? They're 28?! Dude, SNK said that Kyo repeatidly flunked highschool but damn...that's just sad, unless he graduated or something outside of the storyline or just droped out. I guess every cool character has to have a flaw.

Originally posted by brainchild81
I will answer this(I think I already have but I don't mind doing it again) , but in the spirit of a good debate. Since you said Terry was more skilled 1st, you go 1st.

Wanted to edit that top part more. Damn 15 minute rule!! I do agree that if they aren't able to get rid of Terry, they'll most likely lose. Even if Iori goes into riot mode, he ain't beating those 2 by himself. Still, my money's on 1 of them taking Terry out. SNK needs to release a canon sourcebook w/fight results.

Originally posted by brainchild81
😆 Nah man. It doesn't. Can't help it if the dude's tough. Iori was kicking @$$ back when I had the taskmaster sig & he'd still be tough whether I had him in my sig or not. That's kind of a cheap shot though. I do a damn good job of not playing favorites. Otherwise Geese'd be beating the s**t of Akuma. That can of worms shouldn't be opened. I could start calling people biased because of sigs & avvys, but I'm not. Doesn't prove anything. 😆 I expect better from you man. Try harder. False. He's always been described as a "natural". One so skilled @ fighting, that he doesn't need as much experience & training as others might. If he was just a bum w/flames he'd get his ass kicked.

Stuck in the 90s then? Things change whether you like said changes or not. 🙂 Iori would be arrested for war crimes after killing Ryo

Yeah. Dude needs more screentime. He's the future.

Never missed one but hasn't done anything of even the slightest importance in over a decade. Wasn't even in the KOF: Another Day movie and got schooled by newcomer Mignon Bert in the comics. Can you say hasbeen boys & girls? "RYO!" I knew that you could. He's in every game so they always have someone to beat on 😆

😆 When I said I was implying how long (over a decade) it's been since he did something.
In what issue does Ryo beat Ryu? You got the whole series? And again, when has Ryo beaten Geese(might explain why Geese is so underrated)? Is that canon?More experience does not equal more skill though. I've seen nothing @ all that makes him more skilled than Iori. They're both skillful

Oh yeah.

Kyo is so natural that he and Iori only managed to beat Orochi because of the guys weakness of their flames 👿 Being a "natural" doesnt make you already skilled. It means you have the potential to be so.

For what ive read, the "Another Day" anime/Ova, its slated to feature every character, so far four parts have been made. Lets see if they make the rest they promised or not. Obviously if the storyline now resolves in ASH, no one else is showing up alot. They havent done anything over a decade? They have outside of the KOF. SNK.P released others games where they wer the focus instead of Kyo and co. if you noticed. Buruki One for starters.

Ryo beat Mr Big and Mr Karate in AOF1. He beat Geese in AOF2. Terry makes a cameo as a kid in that one, iirc. Hes regarded as the first KOF champ by the AOF-FF timeline that still exists.

(for those confused, the "tournment" itself already existed in the story of AOF-FF before the first KOF game was released in 94).

As for Ryo figthing Ryu in the svc comic, its here:

http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=061024194029&q=Ryo%20Sakazaki

Originally posted by olympian
Oh yeah.

Kyo is so natural that he and Iori only managed to beat Orochi because of the guys weakness of their flames 👿

Originally posted by olympian
Being a "natural" doesnt make you already skilled. It means you have the potential to be so.

Originally posted by olympian
For what ive read, the "Another Day" anime/Ova, its slated to feature every character, so far four parts have been made. Lets see if they make the rest they promised or not. Obviously if the storyline now resolves in ASH, no one else is showing up alot. They havent done anything over a decade? They have outside of the KOF. SNK.P released others games where they wer the focus instead of Kyo and co. if you noticed. Buruki One for starters.

Ryo beat Mr Big and Mr Karate in AOF1. He beat Geese in AOF2. Terry makes a cameo as a kid in that one, iirc. Hes regarded as the first KOF champ by the AOF-FF timeline that still exists.

(for those confused, the "tournment" itself already existed in the story of AOF-FF before the first KOF game was released in 94).

As for Ryo figthing Ryu in the svc comic, its here:

http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=061024194029&q=Ryo%20Sakazaki

Originally posted by brainchild81
😆 True. But when one looks @ things objectively, it sure as hell seems that way(seriously, that orochi stuff is hardcore, that's why Geese wanted to study it). I'll break it down again if ya'll wish. On the same token, it's never been stated that Terry's more powerful than Iori or Kyo. Doesn't seem to stop some from saying he'd whoop on Kyo & Shingo @ the same time(like Mr. Yagami did) now does it? As for the destiny thing, are you trying to say that Iori & Kyo'd rather let 2 powerful fighters FUBAR them than work together again?

Thats why alot of people tend to overrate both Kyo and Iori because of the Orcohi arc. As I have told you numerous times that because they defeated Orochi does not make them superior fighters.

Did I actually say out blunt that Terry was more powerfuller than Iori?..um no. It was you stating that both Kyo and Iori are more powerful since they are "naturals"

In this matchup it makes one wonder how the fighters would eventually wind up teaming up. As I said Terry and Ryu would respect each other. I personally think Iori may leave Kyo to fight both Terry and Ryu since he has no purpose in helping Kyo(other than Orochi)or the reason he may help him, because he does not want anyone defeating Kyo expect him...that's a possibility for him to stick around.

Originally posted by brainchild81
I really don't see a point there. Orochi wouldn't have been beaten otherwise. Ryo can train for the rest of his life and Orochi'd still kill his whole family in under a minute.

Being a natural means what I said it did. Naturals don't have to pratice as much as others. Extremely quick learners

Ryo beating Geese was scrapped when they made Ryo younger so he could rival Terry. Nobody really cares about Buruki One. Did he win that and was it canon? Thanks for the scans. Ryo lucked up 'cause Ryu felt bad. It's obvious. I hope you're right about Another Day. It was good & I'd like to see more. However, they've made sure to put the important characters in this installment just in case they can't make another. Ryo didn't make it. You have proof that they(ryu/ryo) were created by the same person?

1- Give Ryo and Terry the flames that act like kriptonite to Orochi, and he gets beaten the same. That win had little to do with skills.

2- I didnt said otherwise. They still have to train or bananas. You got nothing.

3- They only made everyone younger on KOF where every major figther of the franchise would appear in the same crossover. The FF cannon is still up. That means the Terry - Geese rivality is as well. That means that 14 years before Geese was starting to rank up his empire in Southtwon, he kidnapped Yuri and Ryo stopped him.

The AOF-FF timeline is not the same as the KOF one. Otherwise, Terry would also look older than others and he doesnt. Neither would Geese be alive when he died in the other timeline.

4- Of course. If a character you hate does as good, its because he had luck. This isent a Iori/Kyo vs Orochi match here. Ryu wasent focused properly and Ryo noticed that easily. Each fougth the other accordingly, neither wer pushing on theyr best.

5- I dont think i asked if someone cared about Buruki One, Branchild. The claim is that other games wer done for fanbases other than Kyo and co. Stick to the point.

5- Heres some trivia to know some backstage history of the game and its relation with SF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryo_Sakazaki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Fighting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_(video_game)

Hope you have a languages card to use, for some of the links that show up.

Originally posted by olympian
1- Give Ryo and Terry the flames that act like kriptonite to Orochi, and he gets beaten the same. That win had little to do with skills.

Originally posted by olympian
2- I didnt said otherwise. They still have to train or bananas. You got nothing.

Originally posted by olympian
3- They only made everyone younger on KOF where every major figther of the franchise would appear in the same crossover. The FF cannon is still up. That means the Terry - Geese rivality is as well. That means that 14 years before Geese was starting to rank up his empire in Southtwon, he kidnapped Yuri and Ryo stopped him.

Originally posted by olympian
The AOF-FF timeline is not the same as the KOF one. Otherwise, Terry would also look older than others and he doesnt. Neither would Geese be alive when he died in the other timeline.

4- Of course. If a character you hate does as good, its because he had luck. This isent a Iori/Kyo vs Orochi match here. Ryu wasent focused properly and Ryo noticed that easily. Each fougth the other accordingly, neither wer pushing on theyr best.

Originally posted by olympian
5- I dont think i asked if someone cared about Buruki One, Branchild.

Originally posted by olympian
The claim is that other games wer done for fanbases other than Kyo and co. Stick to the point.

Originally posted by olympian
5- Heres some trivia to know some backstage history of the game and its relation with SF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryo_Sakazaki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Fighting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_(video_game)

Hope you have a languages card to use, for some of the links that show up.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Thats why alot of people tend to overrate both Kyo and Iori because of the Orcohi arc. As I have told you numerous times that because they defeated Orochi does not make them superior fighters.

Did I actually say out blunt that Terry was more powerfuller than Iori?..um no. It was you stating that both Kyo and Iori are more powerful since they are "naturals"

In this matchup it makes one wonder how the fighters would eventually wind up teaming up. As I said Terry and Ryu would respect each other. I personally think Iori may leave Kyo to fight both Terry and Ryu since he has no purpose in helping Kyo(other than Orochi)or the reason he may help him, because he does not want anyone defeating Kyo expect him...that's a possibility for him to stick around.

It may not have no effect on you about them beating Orochi, but it does to alot of Kyo and Iori fans. I have to agree about Terry and Ryu not jumping Kyo though that's not in there style unless if they were fighting the bossess.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Still what does that have to do w/him being a natural or not? Again what was your point? Terry & Ryo DON'T have the flames and them beating Orochi w/them is pure speculation based on nothing. Right?

& What was your point? You said Kyo didn't have the skill to back up the flames or something like that. You're proving yourself wrong now. Good. 'cause I'm lazy🙂 Stop hatin' on Kyo.

I've heard that was all Mr.Big misinterpreting Geese's wishes or something like that. Go to fightingworld.bravehost.com. I'm not sure if he knows what he's talking about though. Some of his s**t seems crazy. I really hope he hasn't beaten Geese though. Geese gets slept on enough w/out that on his resume'

It just seems that you're in a rush to claim a Ryo win. You hadn't even mentioned the circumstances, just Ryo winning. He ain't beating a focused Ryu IMO. It seems quite lucky to me that he fought Ryu @ that time. You talked of Terry getting beaten badly. Who beats Terry up in that series besides Geese?

My responsibility to inform you that nobody cares. Sorry 'bout that🙂 Did he win and when's the sequel coming out? Remember how I said "he's done nothing of importance". Point still stands.

I've read most of that before and nah I'm still unable to see the translated stuff. I used to put links up nonstop, but thanx. That say anything 'bout who created Ryu/ryo? This reply was brought to you by the number "6" 😈 Just kidding. Hey man, you think Terry can beat up Kyo & Shingo together?Yes it is. Good job. If we're taking personalities into consideration, Ryu/Terry ain't gonna jump Kyo anyway. I wasn't talking about the arc. We were talking about Iori's power vs Terry's. That orochi stuff is in his cursed blood. lol @powerfuller. Them beating Orochi has no effect on my opinion of them

1- There is no especulation here. Orochi had a specific weakness against the flames that Iori and Kyo weielded. Its like kriptonite. Mostly that figth is used by Kyo/Iori fans (not necessarily saying you) to describe how skilled they wer, when in fact it had little to do with it.

2- No, i said in the beginning his figthing skills werent supose to be sharp because of the power he yield. I dont hate Kyo. I dont think i hate any character, i just have a dislike at some. Unlike..you! 😉

3- Its in the characters history in the official backstory. Mr Big was a more pivotal villain in AOF 1 that led to Mr Karate (who Ryo didnt even knew it was his father in disguise). Geese indeed shows at AOF2. Its there. As for resume, sorry chap. Ryo was always supossed to be a champ of Southtown as much as Terry originally was/became. Its no wonder that KOF 94 was made to respond the fan demand of having the AOF team going against the FF one and especially Ryo against Terry.

4- The circunstances dont play a major part here. If Ryo had given -all he had- against a non focused Ryu then obviously he would be so outclassed at regular levels that he had a "lucky win" as you described.

It wasent what happened, was it? He fougth his opponent accordingly. Therefore there was no luck there, since he didnt got at his top either. OTOH you cant dismiss that with even that he looked better in -this figth-.

Terry has lost to a Iori clone (?) in the first vol when rushing to attack Bison who at this point commands Geese empire. Vega also helped in giving him the beating as well as Balrog. Every character is going to lose and win. Kyo was beaten to death twice in that same vol. As for IMO, the AOF Ryo sure *can*. Ill just leave it at that.

5- Buruki One wasent made for the Kyo and co fanbase. It was made for the AOF fanbase. Thats the only point to debate here. Its considered to be some sort of a sequel by some. Your haterance sir? Hurts me not🏴‍☠️

6- As the links illustrate the same creative team and/or especially the head of the creative team worked on both games and its credited as such. I dont have a clue why they left Capcom, other than thinking that perhaps they werent satisfied with the final result of SF. Maybe they wanted a more interactive game with bigger graphics experience for the arcades wich turned to be AOF.

As for Terry, Shingo isent really up his level...

Originally posted by brainchild81
Wanted to edit that top part more. Damn 15 minute rule!! I do agree that if they aren't able to get rid of Terry, they'll most likely lose. Even if Iori goes into riot mode, he ain't beating those 2 by himself. Still, my money's on 1 of them taking Terry out. SNK needs to release a canon sourcebook w/fight results.

hey people, my first post here. some of you may know me as the webmaster of fightingworld.bravehost.com , Sado.

P-Geyser: i just replied to your email. thanks for the heads up, dude.

Brainchild: first of all thanx for the free promotion, mang. looks i don't need to hire and pay someone since you've done it for free. as a sign of my appreciation, i'll put up a kyo iori wallpaper in the next update. 😉

as for what you say about Terry, here are a few things you need to consider:

-canonwise, Terry is still the unbeaten wolf. ryo refers to him as this in KoF 01 and even someone from SNK vs Capcom refered to him as such. so he hasn't lost to anyone since by KoF 01 he has been in all the KoF tournaments and has faced Iori, Kyo and even K' on more than one occassion.
-Kyo and Iori have only managed to draw with Terry storywise. he has never been beaten by either of them.
-terry never lost to Krauser either. people who say that are trying to merge the anime with the canonstory of FF which is stupid.
-Ryo is the first champion of KoF (and i'll fix that mess up on my site regarding the FF-AoF time line thing by the next update) and he has always held his own too, despite his losses at Terry's hands.
-in KoF MI, it is a one-on-one tournament and in the finals Terry AND ALba are the ones who made it to it. They fought and defeated Duke together though alba is the one who finished him off. Iori, Kyo and K' etc were in the tournament too but they never made it. Truth be told, they didn't get past the semis and never made it to the finals since they were obviously eliminated.
-Iori by no means has defeated Kyo. till KoF XI they were evenly matched with neither getting a win over the other. Iori is said to have an edge over Kyo due to his flames being stronger but still he has never beaten Kyo decisively. in KoF XI he went Orochi Iori and battered Kyo to unconsciousness, though.
-Ash defeated Orochi Iori face to face. *i have as much trouble accepting this as you since Iori is number 2 on my favorite list*. Ash is said to have commented later that due to the weakened trinity, Iori actually became weaker due to going Orochi but this is yet off unconfirmed.
-Nightmare Geese, the geese we see in KoF MI2 is the way he was when terry finaly killed him in Real Bout. make no mistake cuz that was one tough ***** right there. he is even said to have drunk the blood of Geonitz explaining why his flames went purple but that is unconfirmed so far.

this is just a random comment for everyone here:
please don't judge characters on the basis of comics and animes. comics and animes are simply produced by people who have the license to produce the thing but it is BY NO MEANS canon story. go to my site and in the theories section you can see the proof of this under the title "comics and animes: the reality".

oh and for the record, brainchild, Iori and Kyo are the same age. Iori is older though in that he was born a few months before Kyo. Iori's DoB is 25th march while Kyo's is 8th December 🙂

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as for who i think will win this bout, i think Kyo and Iori will win.
Why?
Kyo and Iori are two of the toughest fighters from KoF. together they have topelled many foes together and each of them is tough like hell.
on the other side, while Terry is powerful, ryu is not. for some canon facts to prove my point:
-makuto, the little ***** from SF 3, put up a fight against Ryu.
-Ryu lost to Ken on two occassions.
-Ryu lost to sagat, bison, akuma, oro and even ken.
-shin-sho-ryu-ken, his strongest move, canonwise COULD NOT defeat Hugo even though it was a direct hit. so really it is not a god-tier move as most people assume it to be.
-Ryu lost to Sagat on two occassions. the first time he was losing and actually had practically lost since he couldn't even stand. however, he went satsui no hadou on Sagat's ass and did the metsu-sho-ryu-ken that tore open Sagat's chest...all this while Sagat was trying to help him up. cheap. very cheap. the second time he lost to Sagat, even though he had the power of bison's pyscho power in him (pyscho power is equivlent to dark hadou for the record and is like a twin sister *canon*). Ryu still lost in a one on one fight.

some of you may say i'm bullshitting but it is from facts and canon story.

ryu also has THREE moves that has no variety. also Kyo is fully aware of his moves since Kyo's own original move list wasn't too different (he even had tatsumaki senpuukyaku type of move in KoF 94 and 95). Iori, Kyo and Terry have even fougth people who have moves identical to Ryu (Ryo, robert, takuma, yuri to an extent etc) while ryu has faced NO ONE like Iori or even Kyo...or even Terry.
sure Ryu and Terry have experience but that didn't stop Makuto from putting up a fight against Ryu or from Rock doing the same with Terry. with all of Terry's experience the fight still ended in draw with Kyo and Iori.
Experience counts but isn't a decisive factor in a fight (i am a fighter so i know what i'm talkin about). there are a LOT of factors involved in fights and who comes out of it.

the second reason why Kyo Iori would win is because the power gap between them is zero. both are equally powerful. Ryu and Terry are not evenly matched. for more on that go to the theories on my site and see the "Terry VS Ryu Terry VS Ken" bit and i prove my point there. of course should you choose to argue with me, then i'll be happy to listen to what you have to say.
so while Terry will be evenly matched with one of them, Ryu will not and will lose to either Kyo or Iori. even if terry would beat one of them, he would be out of steam to do much against the other who is as good as the one he just defeated. slim chances for the hungry wolf and so i think he'll lose eventually. 😕

Feel free to argue with me though as i'd love to hear your views.

I look forward to the wallpaper. I also accept ca$h 🙂

Originally posted by olympian
1- There is no especulation here. Orochi had a specific weakness against the flames that Iori and Kyo weielded. Its like kriptonite. Mostly that figth is used by Kyo/Iori fans (not necessarily saying you) to describe how skilled they wer, when in fact it had little to do with it.

Originally posted by olympian
2- No, i said in the beginning his figthing skills werent supose to be sharp because of the power he yield.

Originally posted by olympian
Bleh, Kyo for a long time didnt even had he skills to back it up, its was mostly the power of the flames.

Originally posted by olympian
I dont hate Kyo. I dont think i hate any character, i just have a dislike at some. Unlike..you! 😉

Originally posted by olympian
3- Its in the characters history in the official backstory. Mr Big was a more pivotal villain in AOF 1 that led to Mr Karate (who Ryo didnt even knew it was his father in disguise). Geese indeed shows at AOF2. Its there. As for resume, sorry chap. Ryo was always supossed to be a champ of Southtown as much as Terry originally was/became. Its no wonder that KOF 94 was made to respond the fan demand of having the AOF team going against the FF one and especially Ryo against Terry.

Originally posted by olympian
4- The circunstances dont play a major part here. If Ryo had given -all he had- against a non focused Ryu then obviously he would be so outclassed at regular levels that he had a "lucky win" as you described.

Originally posted by olympian
It wasent what happened, was it? He fougth his opponent accordingly. Therefore there was no luck there, since he didnt got at his top either. OTOH you cant dismiss that with even that he looked better in -this figth-.

Originally posted by olympian
Terry has lost to a Iori clone (?) in the first vol when rushing to attack Bison who at this point commands Geese empire. Vega also helped in giving him the beating as well as Balrog.

Originally posted by olympian
Every character is going to lose and win. Kyo was beaten to death twice in that same vol.

Originally posted by olympian
5- Buruki One wasent made for the Kyo and co fanbase. It was made for the AOF fanbase. Thats the only point to debate here. Its considered to be some sort of a sequel by some. Your haterance sir? Hurts me not🏴‍☠️

Originally posted by olympian
6- As the links illustrate the same creative team and/or especially the head of the creative team worked on both games and its credited as such. I dont have a clue why they left Capcom, other than thinking that perhaps they werent satisfied with the final result of SF. Maybe they wanted a more interactive game with bigger graphics experience for the arcades wich turned to be AOF.

Originally posted by olympian
As for Terry, Shingo isent really up his level...

I look forward to the wallpaper. I also accept ca$h

Originally posted by brainchild81
I look forward to the wallpaper. I also accept ca$h 🙂You're not sure of that. They've mastered styles that allow them to use the flames in an efficient manner. Nonfans seem to say that because skill wasn't the ONLY factor in that fight, that somehow they are less skilled. What you said was & that's based on what? Nothing right? Kyo was trained @ an early age by his pop. He's been a martial arts prodigy since he started training. His skills were sharp way before he entered his 1st KOF. Why are you trying to make it seem otherwise?

Then why do you feel the need to downrate Kyo's skill? Is it some "make Kyo look worse to make Ryo look better" deal?I'll do more looking into that. Did you look @ the site?
Maybe you don't understand me. Ryu not being focused IS the circumstance. It was a MAJOR factor. It's quite obvious. Don't be crazy now. What's OTOH? Ryo didn't fight at his top because he could tell something wasn't right. Ryo did look better..............than a non-focused Ryu. WOW!! What does that prove? Nothing @ all & you know it. It's not good to bulls*it yourselflike that 🙂 You're reaching reeeeally far for this oneOh. That's what you were talking about. Terry was banged up(how I'm not sure) before O.Iori started whoopin on him. Only Time I've seen him get beat down was when Geese FUBARED him w/ease and then had a hard time w/Kyo Kusanagi, the scion of the flame!!!!!! 🙂.Sure you don't mean Iori?
😆 I'd be really upset if that was my intention. I've asked you countless times if he won that. Still don't change that he's done nothing of real importance. Wow--he was in some other tourney fighting people who weren't even using fireballs & stuff. He's the man now 🙄
He's credited as creating Ryu? That's all I'm asking.
That's great. My question however was if you think he can beat Shingo & Kyo @the same time. Not "is Shingo on Terry's level" 🙂

1- Are you actually trying to convey that storywise, Kyo was supossed to have sharp skills in the beginning as other main guns?

2- Ryu not being focused didnt changed a thing, because Ryo didnt used that advantage other than humbling him. What comparations can you draw here? That Ryu could beat him easily EVEN when it was stated that Ryo didnt gave his all, BECAUSE of his opponents lack of focus?

Ryu not focused = Ryo not going out. What else is to look here? Mainly i used that one because of a previous understanding of urs that Ryo loses to "everyone, no matter if its the games or mangas because according to you he sucks". I showed you this and whats your reaction? He got lucky. Even when according to the story the one who was lucky was Ryu because his opponent saw how flawed he was.

And yes, i show this even if mangas arent cannon. Dont burn.

3- Like i could care less if you think the tournment was worth it or not. Its not what i answered. You said he had no importance, i showed you that he did. Now, whos reaching far?

4- Read the links, Brainchild. And also the behind the scenes of KOF "dream match" 94. Guess who was also credit behind the creation of the game?

5- I dont see either as a straigth match to Terry, even if i do view Kyo and Iori as the next "class". Shingo for me would go down easier.

Shango, i have some questions tho. If memory serves Ken won the first SF and thus defeated Ryu, correct? When was the other time he defeated his rival?

When did Terry defeat Ryo in the Aof- FF timeline? Fatal Fury Wild Ambition? Is that game regarded as cannon or merely a remake of FF 1 with Ryo there to connect further the timeline that was already set?

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1- Are you actually trying to convey that storywise, Kyo was supossed to have sharp skills in the beginning as other main guns? What set this high school kid apart of the competition was the use of flames. Not his grand skill as storywise Geese, Terry and Ryo wer renowed from.

About my so called "hatred" on Kyo, wich i dont even know where you got that from. Im especifically talking about the Kyo as he was when he first popped up, not the current one. Theres no hate here, im talking about my views as in the story point of view, especially of what is canon. Like Orochi being especificaly weaker against theyr flames (or better the ancient flames that belonged to the families and passed to them). Now, how on Earth, can anyone play the said game and not get that crucial plot device?

(Now, obviously he had to know how to use them. Whos arguing otherwise. But his figthing skills as a whole werent at Terry`s level.)

Now you, while aknowleged, dont even discuss Ryo, he just "sucks" for whatever reason like having a shirt under his Gi. Thats hate.

Boya 😛!

Great, this thread has become an argument on snk's inconsistent heirarchy. . .