To Surreal44 - Terry on wordplay

Posted by Terry on Monday, 30 October 2006, at 7:10 p.m., in response to For Terry and every other writer!, posted by Idrissa on Friday, 27 October 2006, at 9:05 p.m.

And I also promise to stop beating my wife.

>> NO more WOMEN:

>> - Hopping on people
>> - Screetching
>> - Crying
>> - Tripping and Falling, etc.

>> Just stop it already!

For the record, I've never written a woman who hopped on someone, or who screeched, or who tripped and fell.

Guilty on the charge of writing a character who cried. (I think when you decide to send someone you may indeed love to their death, a single tear might be in order, given that it reveals a part of yourself you might not be able to live with.)

Thank you Terry 😄

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ELIZABETH
No. This is barbaric. This is not how grown men settle their -- oh, fine! Let's just all haul out our swords and start banging away at each other! Have at it! That will solve everything. Well I've had it with the lot of you! I've had enough of ... rum soaked ... wobbly-legged ... pirates!

*****

You might note that Will tries to give Elizabeth an order -- which she refuses, and then takes the men to task. And she does it pretty well. There is a double-entendre and even a subtle Jack Sparrow reference.

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This also shows that Jack has been on her mind a LOT latley no?..why has she had enough of Jack..was he intruding on her mind THAT much? Jack is the man she mentions here..why not Norrie or Will all fighting like bad boys..Jack is the one it all turns back to all the time with her.
OMFG lmao and the double entendre?

A word or phrase having a double meaning, especially when the second meaning is risqué.

!Haul out our swords and start banging away at eachother, have at it! that will solve everything!!

Liz is so horny oh my gosh..and Its Jack Sparrow she mentions there...

I know I'm not Surreal, but I have to disagree with half of this. The part I do agree with: Yes, she is referring to Jack when she says she's tired of pirates. She's disillusioned by now, and she probably has a headache from thinking about him vs. Will so much. Love him or not, he's adding a lot of stress to her life. So I see that easily, and I think she half expected him to stop first when she "fainted" since he was the one who saved her the last time she really did faint.

But the phrase "banging away at each other" I don't think is a double meaning. For one, that phrase wasn't used back then to refer to sex. Banging away meant taking an object and hitting it on another. You might say they had to include modern language for modern audiences, but I don't see a lot of that. I see realistic late 17th century language, even from Jack.
Two, Liz really seems frustrated, and not sexually frustrated here. I think she knows as well as anyone else that a swordfight between Norrington, Will, and Jack won't solve anything and could go on for hours, so what is she to do? These are all people she cares for, at least doesn't want to see get killed. I think for once sex isn't on the girl's mind.

This scene to me showed that Liz is still trying to decide just how much of a pirate she wants to be. I think she's like Jack where she wants the freedom and adventure, but killing people and the like don't appeal to her.

PS: Will may have ordered her to guard the chest, but in stressful situations, a lot of people have to give orders, and I've seen Liz order around some people. Plus, guarding the chest was really important and had she done that and used her sword skills to drive away anyone after it, they may not all be in the mess they are now.

Willofthewisp. Terry the writer said that its a double meaning.(thats not my opinion under the ****** thats Terry's own words, mine are under the line ----) So I think I'll believe what he says because he wrote the line in the first place. His conscious thought went behind it meaning it has a double meaning. AlsoI think she mentions Jack there because she has been feeling rather...sexually frustrated during the movie and Jack has been the one with her making her feel most frustrated and angry.

while we're at it, look at Jack totally confessing to want Elizabeth:

The three men square off against each other. They leap forward at exactly the same time, swords clashing. Their three swords lock together --

JACK
Will, we can't let him get the chest. You can trust me on this ...
(off Will's look)
You can mistrust me less than you can mistrust him.

Will really takes a look at Norrington for the first time.

WILL
You look awful.

NORRINGTON
Granted. But you're still naive. He just wants Elizabeth for himself.

JACK
Pot. Kettle. Black.

They leap back and the fight is on. Will is pushed aside for a moment, long enough to say to Elizabeth:

WILL
Guard the chest.

He moves back to the fight. Elizabeth glares at him...

I AM SO GLAD Terry chose to clear this up for us. I hated it when people were like, Will wasnt ordering her around, or blah blah blah.

Oh my gracious i cant believe he said that bit about the love!!!!!!!!!!! He is just TRYING to make me old before my time here. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. okay okay i'm calm, im cool, im collected... 🙂

I agree he was so obviously bossing her around..its the first thing that comes to mind and its the right thing..he was bosssing her about we all knew it but the W/E blind spot appeared again.

he also said this kate:

... to create a scenario where inevitably half of the relationship fans out there are sure to be unhappy.

Well, they're shooting the ending right now over in Hangar nine, so I guess it's set in stone!

LMFAO

I would say its a bout 70/30 possibly 80/20 when it comes to Je vs WE..its not 50/50 Terry lol

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH our fate is being decided even as we speak!!!!!!!!!

i got to go take an exam.... but honestly, how could i be expected to handle that on a day like this?!?!*******

this is SOOOO intense. that terry quote really through my for a loop. though of course, that wasnt the big loop i was thrown for this morning!!!!! 😉 i am still flipping out. and eating fruit loops! giggle...

LOL I know....its amazing isnt it..

sorry he actually said this:

how clever of us...... to create a scenario where inevitably half of the relationship fans out there are sure to be unhappy.

Well, they're shooting the ending right now over in Hangar nine, so I guess it's set in stone!

WOW,
I am just now getting on here and seeing all this, I CANT BELIEVE IT!! This is awsome !!

I KNOW!! all the crap she was telling us about us being wrong when it came to what Liz felt in the last scene...

What Terry said seems tp match in with all of the most sensible arguments. She may indeed love him so WHY did she kill him? Because she saw him as a threat, because she's in love with him IMO

I am so excited now, This makes my day!!!

Oh by the way Happy halloween Girls
vampire

This settles nothing, unhappily for you. Terry simply says she sent someone that she may love. *shrug* So maybe she's still on the fence how she feels. He did not say flat-out that Elizabeth loves Jack.

She certainly cares for him, and she is obviously horrified at what she's done. Feeling guilty. And he said it has revealed a part of herself that she may not be able to live with.

Aside from stating that Elizabeth still feels torn, possibly, about how she feels about Jack, your 'proof' is non-existant.

Also, I'm not sure what W/E shippers you are talking about who didn't think Will ordered Liz to guard the chest....that's really never been debatable. I've never seen anyone deny that.

What J/E shippers have said is that it means Will thinks Elizabeth is weak, and then W/E shippers have argued that no, Will does NOT use this to treat Liz horribly, or to treat her that she is too weak to do anything.

So again, your argument is not right. Sorry. But nice try. 😄

**Edit** Just wanted to add that it's not only a love triangle, but more like a square...or a pyramid, I suppose. And one other thing: I don't think Terry or Ted is going to give up who Elizabeth loves more any time soon, so don't get too excited or disappointed by anything they say regarding either ship.

This is such a wonderful Halloween treat! I mean this is so much better then candy. I'm so HAPPY!! I love this I knew it all along that J/E were always meant to be together!!! Happy Halloween to you too
shannstar79. Wishing everyone here a very Happy and safe Halloween have fun!

LMFAO..ok what ever..I dont have time for you anymore he's directly contradicted you surreal and now you dont trust all that he says.

yes that she may not be able to live with..she cant live with herself because she has just murdered the man she loves and this is why she choses to go back for him because she cant live without him there

to break it down.

She's crying because she thinks she loves Jack..she cant live with the fact he's not around her despite Will her "night in shining speedos being there"

she's now betrayed someone she loves..she has betrayed people to their deaths before surreal to save Will and she never cried or cared like this..its revealed something that she cant live with..or live without?

giggle i know, nothing can ruin this day! its too wonderful.

Happy Halloween! And if you don't celebrate Halloween, happy beautiful fall day in which we have been given shreds of hope!!! 🙂

Thank goodness Terry has a sense of humor. LOL. i love it. His responses to everything are always so eloquent and ambiguous. But its clear he was trying to shut some people up. I think part of what he may have meant with that line was "yeah tears shed only over a guitly conscience are one thing, but to cry over someone you killed that you may love is entirely acceptable and neccessary." or something.

and the "killing someone she may love"... i think its sort of reflective of where Elizabeth is at--- she MAY love Sparrow, she doesnt know, she's confused about who she loves, so that has entered her realm of conscience and scarred her, but its a very real possibility she is facing

i am rambling.

all this so say, HOORAY!!!! 🙂

To me..she's THINKING she does in that scene..because he's saying she's crying because she's thinking she does..so it must be the emotion she's feeliong to make her cry like that..

she's "thinking" she may indeed love sparrow

My main point here is she's not crying because she has no emotion for Jack and because she only wants redemption..she's crying because .she's thinking she may indeed be in love with with him and this is obviously why she agrees to go back.

and surreal44. I'm sorry about my "dont have time for you" replay..That was bad of me 🙁

OMG This is the second best thing that has happened to me this morning. I am currently in my Univ. And a guy came in wearing a costume of Jack and a girl came is as Liz. I though I was the only one obsess with the movie LOL. Her costume is soo cool, it cost $ 150.00 plus s/h at ebay. Anyways guys, Hope you have a happy Halloween. I still can't believe Terry's words. This is great for us J/L shippies. C ya guys later. 💃

Okay, so I stand corrected on the double entendre. I guess when it all comes down to it, it's the audience interpretation rather than the writer's intention, but I'm pleased Jack is forever on Lizzie's mind.

I wasn't saying Will didn't order Liz to guard the chest. That's undisputed because it's in the script. All I am saying is that I would have made sure somebody guarded it, too. It wouldn't matter who, just someone, and if everyone else is.....indisposed.....I would yell at the nearest person. That's not saying Will's not bossy, he very much likes getting his way, but the chest is so important and Liz really screwed up by not protecting it.