If Jesus is Love....

Then we are ALL CHRISTIAN

This whole argument about Jesus being the Embodyment or Personification of Love has a major loophole.

WE HAVE ALL EXPERIENCED LOVE IN SOME FORM, AND WE ALL POSSESS IT. WE ALL POSSESS THE CAPABILITIES OF LOVE, IT IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO CHRISTIANITY....

So please....Conservative Fundmentalist Christians, please stop claiming that LOVE is only a Christian thing, because LOVE has existed way before Christianity and it exists WITHOUT CHRISTIANITY...

Love is independent of any religion...Love is NOT A PERSON, it is a FORCE that we ALL HAVE ACCESS TO AND EQUAL ABILITY TO POSSESS AND SHARE.

Like I said....if Jesus TRULY IS LOVE PERSONIFIED, then we ALL HAVE JESUS WITHIN US BECAUSE WE ALL LOVE......in some way, shape, or form.

So please..minds like JIA and Sonnet who claim that those who are not Christians do not know the meaning of love, ENOUGH of that horse-half ass ignorance !

I do thank you guys for inspiring this thread, however.

Thoughts ?

Here's one, what is love? Because to me love doesn't exist. It's as real as god itself.

Just my opinion.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Here's one, what is love? Because to me love doesn't exist. It's as real as god itself.

Just my opinion.

Love is the caring for someone else more then your self.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Love is the caring for someone else more then your self.

Originally posted by lord xyz
But that's not natural. Animals have the natural instinct to care and protect your self over everyone else.

True love is not natural. True love comes from the Buddha within each of us.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
True love is not natural. True love comes from the Buddha within each of us.

Unless that was supposed to be a joke. If so, lol.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Okay, that statement is as meaningful to me, as christians saying love comes from Jesus.

Unless that was supposed to be a joke. If so, lol.

OK, I will try to help you. Take a little time, like a hour, and sit in a quiet dark room. Try to still all of your thoughts, and think about nothing. You will find that this is difficult to do, but don't give up. You could chant a chant or look at a candle flame. What you are looking for is a very deep part of yourself that knows what you should do. That part of you is your Buddha nature. Look for it, and find it, then you will understand what I am talking about. This is real, not fiction like Christianity.

Originally posted by lord xyz
But that's not natural. Animals have the natural instinct to care and protect your self over everyone else.

You are actually wrong here....

Mother Lions have fought to the death to protect thier children.

There is a type of sea creature, a mother who dies giving birth to her children...they literally eat her out at time of birth.

Human Beings have proven to be capable of Love and Hate. I find it very sad that you have had no experience with it, and therefore have no beleif in its existance.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
True love is not natural. True love comes from the Buddha within each of us.

I disagree with you for once.

True Love is natural, because it is not a choice and occurs without our consent.

True Love is not just a human quality...it exists within animals as well, and I am pretty sure they are unware of thier inner "Buddha"

Originally posted by lord xyz
But that's not natural. Animals have the natural instinct to care and protect your self over everyone else.

To quote Joseph Campbell:

Survival is only the second rule of our existence.
The first is that we are all one.

...

Also, speaking to the "Buddha" in each of us isn't like talking about Jesus. Jesus was another being seperate from us. Buddha refers to the state of buddha-hood within each of us. It's not a person, it's a level of consciousness. So that's what shakya was saying, not trying to get you to identify with a historical figure.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
OK, I will try to help you. Take a little time, like a hour, and sit in a quiet dark room. Try to still all of your thoughts, and think about nothing. You will find that this is difficult to do, but don't give up. You could chant a chant or look at a candle flame. What you are looking for is a very deep part of yourself that knows what you should do. That part of you is your Buddha nature. Look for it, and find it, then you will understand what I am talking about. This is real, not fiction like Christianity.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I disagree with you for once.

True Love is natural, because it is not a choice and occurs without our consent.

True Love is not just a human quality...it exists within animals as well, and I am pretty sure they are unware of their inner "Buddha"

Well, I was using the term unnatural to get a point across. I also disagree, most animals are a lot closer to their Buddha nature then humans.

Originally posted by lord xyz
1. I don't believe in Buddha, nor would I do something meaningless and time wasting.

Meaningless? You mean like speaking ? I find most of your posts a waste of time....

Originally posted by lord xyz
2. You saying that your religion is true, but another religion is fake is just as bad as JIA.

WRONG Shaky is not telling you how to live your life. He is not condemning you either. He is simply trying to share his discovery with you.

JIA, on the other hand, wants you to throw away everything you learned on your own, close your mind, and blindly beleive something he has no proof of.

Shaky wants you to discover what he discovered for yourself, so that you don't HAVE to blindly take in what he says.

Originally posted by lord xyz
3. You're sounding like a fundamentalist.

If Athiesm had fundamentalists, you my freind would be the first....

You display consistant and almost intentional ignorance, close mindedness, and solid beleif in the non existance of anything you cannot SEE.

You are just as "wrong" as Christian and Muslim Fundamentalists for your refusal to investigate anything that contradicts your current mindset.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Well, I was using the term unnatural to get a point across.

Okay....

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I also disagree, most animals are a lot closer to their Buddha nature then humans.

What I meant was they are probably not aware of it. But I do agree...I think they are more in touch with their true selves than WE as human beings are ✅

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
OK, I will try to help you. Take a little time, like a hour, and sit in a quiet dark room. Try to still all of your thoughts, and think about nothing. You will find that this is difficult to do, but don't give up. You could chant a chant or look at a candle flame. What you are looking for is a very deep part of yourself that knows what you should do. That part of you is your Buddha nature. Look for it, and find it, then you will understand what I am talking about. This is real, not fiction like Christianity.

Originally posted by lord xyz
1. I don't believe in Buddha, nor would I do something meaningless and time wasting.
2. You saying that your religion is true, but another religion is fake is just as bad as JIA.
3. You're sounding like a fundamentalist.

You are confused by terms. Buddha mean enlightened one, and that is you. To listen to your self is not meaningless, or is it?

I never said my religion was true. True is irrelevant, winning is what matters.

I give you a way to test what I am saying. That is not what a fundamentalist would do.

Originally posted by Regret
Agreed. Although, I would term it our divine nature instead of Buddha nature.

Two names for the same concept. What's in a name ?

"A rose by any other name would still prick you with its thorns"

Yeah...yeah...i know, I'm Gay lol 😆

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You are actually wrong here....

Mother Lions have fought to the death to protect thier children.

There is a type of sea creature, a mother who dies giving birth to her children...they literally eat her out at time of birth.

Human Beings have proven to be capable of Love and Hate. I find it very sad that you have had no experience with it, and therefore have no beleif in its existance.

That's biological normal. It happens in spiders aswell.

Describe this "experience with love". I mean, first you say love is an emotion, then a force, then a natural instict, which is it?

Originally posted by Regret
Agreed. Although, I would term it our divine nature instead of Buddha nature.

And I would not use the word divine because it has bad connotations. It seems we are in the same boat.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
To quote Joseph Campbell:

Survival is only the second rule of our existence.
The first is that we are all one.

...

Also, speaking to the "Buddha" in each of us isn't like talking about Jesus. Jesus was another being seperate from us. Buddha refers to the state of buddha-hood within each of us. It's not a person, it's a level of consciousness. So that's what shakya was saying, not trying to get you to identify with a historical figure.