The crucifixion/passion of Christ

Originally posted by BobbyD
Silly, I just needed an example for illustrative purposes. 🙄 😛

I know that, it just made me giggle, just imagine some Roman soldiers trying to attach a giraffe to a cross.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I know that, it just made me giggle, just imagine some Roman soldiers trying to attach a giraffe to a cross.

But, it'd be giraffes nailing giraffes, no? Besides, I'm sure on whatever planet it would be, if this is true, that there is an apparatus more practical for crucifixion of its kind. 😬

Originally posted by Nellinator
Actually there is. An interesting theory actually... Not sure how much of it I believe given our limited knowledge of fission-fusion. Also, it was conducted by a secular institution by secular scientist to the best of my knowledge.

It is something about the volume of the sun decreasing at a certain rate each year. If the rate it is currently decreasing at was consistent throught the last few billion years, the sun would have been so large that it would have consumed Earth as few as two billion years ago. Or something like that... Interesting thought. I think I will need to look into it more...

Yes, please look it up, and provide a link.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Actually there is. An interesting theory actually... Not sure how much of it I believe given our limited knowledge of fission-fusion. Also, it was conducted by a secular institution by secular scientist to the best of my knowledge.

It is something about the volume of the sun decreasing at a certain rate each year. If the rate it is currently decreasing at was consistent throught the last few billion years, the sun would have been so large that it would have consumed Earth as few as two billion years ago. Or something like that... Interesting thought. I think I will need to look into it more...

Actually that theory considered is dodgy to the extreme, and debunked. Firstly it doesn't work according to how we know suns die, the speed light travels from stars, how they consume the materials they are composed of and so on. Essentially the only workable aspect is that our sun, like others, might contract and expand in small ways - but not the consistant decrease the authors implied would mean our sun would have disapeared long ago if the sun was older then a few thousand years.

Two of the most obvious aspects are shown here: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE310.html

Incidently it is a claim that Kent Hovind has gone one about before (though he didn't come up with it) - but Hovind likes preaching theories that were debunked long ago...

"It should be noted that many of his fellow young-earthers consider him to be an embarrassment and that many of his arguments can be found in Arguments we think creationists should NOT use published by the young-earth creationist organization Answers in Genesis."

The fact that many cultures had no concept of a crucified son-deity, before the advent of missionaries. The possibility of any extraterrestrial sentient sapient species with likely a very different physiology suited to their own natural environment, would have a story of a crucified (crucifixion only being a relevant means of execution for organisms of human or similar physiology) figure as son and deity, is negligible.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Actually that theory considered is dodgy to the extreme, and debunked. Firstly it doesn't work according to how we know suns die, the speed light travels from stars, how they consume the materials they are composed of and so on. Essentially the only workable aspect is that our sun, like others, might contract and expand in small ways - but not the consistant decrease the authors implied would mean our sun would have disapeared long ago if the sun was older then a few thousand years.

Two of the most obvious aspects are shown here: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE310.html

Incidently it is a claim that Kent Hovind has gone one about before (though he didn't come up with it) - but Hovind likes preaching theories that were debunked long ago...

"It should be noted that many of his fellow young-earthers consider him to be an embarrassment and that many of his arguments can be found in Arguments we think creationists should NOT use published by the young-earth creationist organization Answers in Genesis."

Originally posted by Nellinator
I am not over familiar with the theory. And although it may disagree with our current understanding of how suns die it may call for further research. Like I said, I am not sure that it is true (actually I doubt it), but I don't throw it out. I was not intending to use it as an argument for creationism, just throwing the idea out there.

I know, but I am familiar with it - simply through reading the works of credible scientists who have worked at debunking various young earth claims, and done so comprehensively. The theory the sun is decreasing at a rate that would put its age billions of years lower then it is has no credibility. There is no evidence to support it, the evidence once used has been shown as misinterpreted, and the theory in no way fits with the current evidenced theories on the life of stars.

It is possible to throw out theories when they have been systematically broken down and rendered completely without relevance. Plenty theories far more believable have gone that way in the past, and this one has done the same, the only difference being it never had any credibility.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
I know, but I am familiar with it - simply through reading the works of credible scientists who have worked at debunking various young earth claims, and done so comprehensively. The theory the sun is decreasing at a rate that would put its age billions of years lower then it is has no credibility. There is no evidence to support it, the evidence once used has been shown as misinterpreted, and the theory in no way fits with the current evidenced theories on the life of stars.

It is possible to throw out theories when they have been systematically broken down and rendered completely without relevance. Plenty theories far more believable have gone that way in the past, and this one has done the same, the only difference being it never had any credibility.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Actually there is. An interesting theory actually... Not sure how much of it I believe given our limited knowledge of fission-fusion. Also, it was conducted by a secular institution by secular scientist to the best of my knowledge.

It is something about the volume of the sun decreasing at a certain rate each year. If the rate it is currently decreasing at was consistent throught the last few billion years, the sun would have been so large that it would have consumed Earth as few as two billion years ago. Or something like that... Interesting thought. I think I will need to look into it more...

Samura's assessment of this is correct.