Originally posted by Soljer
Wasn't it the Punisher that Daredevil was fighting against when he slapped a pressure point on Frank's wrist, as part of a counter attack? Didn't that completely paralyze frank?Wasn't Daredevil not even trying?
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Naw, that was just the wrist or arm DD did that to. Punisher would be rendered totally useless if DD did that to his whole body. Something which would be much easier for him to execute than Punisher hitting him with a bullet.
Originally posted by jrodslami see where ur coming from but dd still was humiliated by pun, even in the following issue punisher got the better of dd by shooting that chimeny on him, with guns dd has no chance w/o he wins but punisher has a slight chance...and yes punisher can hit dd with a shot, if u say otherwise u are foolish...
Uhh, i never said DD didnt suckerpunch Punisher. I am saying that before Punisher shot DD, he suckerpunched him in which you deny. I have the comic handy as well and still dont get how you dont see that. You call Punisher kicking Daredevil off him and flipping him over kicking DD's ass? Are you serious? Did i say that in that particular fight DD had the advantage? If so, show me quote where i said that. Secondly, DD didnt go to finish Punisher off. The fight was over with a standstill. DD DID go to take Punisher in but he wasnt moving in to attack. Hence the suckerpunch. He was just going to bring him in.....Punisher - "The gloves are off this time Devl."
Daredevil - "Im glad the tranqs make you feel competitive, Frank. But you still cant tag me."Like i stated before, Punisher not wanting to kill DD is a poor excuse for him missing DD all the time. He doesnt have to kill DD to take him out of tghe fight. Something you fail to see.
Originally posted by jgiant
i see where ur coming from but dd still was humiliated by pun, even in the following issue punisher got the better of dd by shooting that chimeny on him, with guns dd has no chance w/o he wins but punisher has a slight chance...and yes punisher can hit dd with a shot, if u say otherwise u are foolish...
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You're foolish. Daredevil has been able to use his radar sense to weave between bullets before.
With incredible ease.
Just because the finger that is pulling the trigger happens to have better aim...that doesn't make the bullets travel faster or Daredevil's sense malfunction.
He dodges Punisher's gunfire the same way he dodges a random thugs.
Easily.
Originally posted by jgiant
i see where ur coming from but dd still was humiliated by pun, even in the following issue punisher got the better of dd by shooting that chimeny on him, with guns dd has no chance w/o he wins but punisher has a slight chance...and yes punisher can hit dd with a shot, if u say otherwise u are foolish...
I do agree that Punisher made DD look foolish. Those two instances are low showings for DD. Everyone has them.
Fact is, if they were both fighting at normal conditions, DD would easily beat Pun, guns or no guns. Now if Punisher had prep, hed own Daredevil.
Originally posted by jgiant
well knowing frank he would own dd with guns, cuz dd can't dodge bullets just anticipate where they are headed, punisher is so sergical with a weapon he will eventually hit dd, even if he has to distract his senses with a grenade or explosive to do so...
Daredevil CAN dodge bullets. There was a discussion created about that not to long ago. Daredevil is able to dodge bullets AFTER they are fired due to them cutting throught the air and him being able to "see" it. Hes also been able to recover from grenades and other loud explosions rather quickly. Sometimes not even affected at all.
Well, Punisher has shot Spider-Man before (with a non-lethal bullet)...
Reluctantly, I am forced to agree with jgiant. The punisher respect thread really showed me how good Punisher actually is. In hand to hand, Daredevil would win after a tough, yet still one sided fight. With guns, punisher could take him after a difficult, drawn out fight. With prep, Punisher takes it, but, we all know that.
Ill give the majority of this to DD, 7/10 at least. Yes the punisher may go to shoot at DD, in the midst of his shooting DD is just going to dodge and use that billy club of his to his advantage, which he is as good with that club as punisher is with a gun. So it really just comes to a H2H, DD wins that department easily.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Well, Punisher has shot Spider-Man before (with a non-lethal bullet)...
Reluctantly, I am forced to agree with jgiant. The punisher respect thread really showed me how good Punisher actually is. In hand to hand, Daredevil would win after a tough, yet still one sided fight. With guns, punisher could take him after a difficult, drawn out fight. With prep, Punisher takes it, but, we all know that.
I don't care who jobbed to the Punisher. Fact is, the bullets aren't travelling any faster just because frank is pulling the trigger instead of some joe blow.
Daredevil dodges shots from the punisher as easily as he dodges bullets from anyone else.
Also, I mean...honestly...if BULLSEYE can't hit the man without fear, what chance in HELL does the Punisher have?
With weapons or not, Daredevil wins a VERY healthy majority.
With prep, Daredevil loses.
Quite that simple.
Originally posted by jrodslamIm sorry but im not impressed, if any of those guys were the punisher dd would have been dead long time ago, punisher is not gunna fire one shot and when dd dodges one he has about fifty other well placed bullets coming his way and i doubt he is gunna dodge all those, and if he does then he has grenades comin his way and he is gunna get distracted by that, and then the bullets come again and dd is eventually goin down as long as punisher keeps his distance...and then again if dd gets in close we have seen how punisher has h2h skills to at least hang with dd for a little and maybe even get the win...so h2h no guns dd 8/10, with guns pun 9/10, with prep 10/10
Daredevil CAN dodge bullets. There was a discussion created about that not to long ago. Daredevil is able to dodge bullets AFTER they are fired due to them cutting throught the air and him being able to "see" it. Hes also been able to recover from grenades and other loud explosions rather quickly. Sometimes not even affected at all.
Originally posted by jgiant
Im sorry but im not impressed, if any of those guys were the punisher dd would have been dead long time ago, punisher is not gunna fire one shot and when dd dodges one he has about fifty other well placed bullets coming his way and i doubt he is gunna dodge all those, and if he does then he has grenades comin his way and he is gunna get distracted by that, and then the bullets come again and dd is eventually goin down as long as punisher keeps his distance...and then again if dd gets in close we have seen how punisher has h2h skills to at least hang with dd for a little and maybe even get the win...so h2h no guns dd 8/10, with guns pun 9/10, with prep 10/10
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Fifty PERFECTLY placed C.o.M. shots are still gonna be travelling at the same speed. Daredevil dodges them with ease. Get over it, fanboy.
Originally posted by SoljerYea dd will dodge on bullet, but can he won't be able to physically dodge a bullet that will be placed in a spot where he will be dodging too, punisher will intercept him, if he unloads an m-60 with all 200 rounds there is no way if punisher positions them right that dd will dodge all of them, the m-60 spits out about nine rounds every second, dd has enhanced agility, but not this good, punisher is too good with this weapon, he has sniped snipers in nam' with this weapon, dd will not survive, not possible...
🙄Fifty PERFECTLY placed C.o.M. shots are still gonna be travelling at the same speed. Daredevil dodges them with ease. Get over it, fanboy.
Originally posted by jgiant
Im sorry but im not impressed, if any of those guys were the punisher dd would have been dead long time ago, punisher is not gunna fire one shot and when dd dodges one he has about fifty other well placed bullets coming his way and i doubt he is gunna dodge all those, and if he does then he has grenades comin his way and he is gunna get distracted by that, and then the bullets come again and dd is eventually goin down as long as punisher keeps his distance...and then again if dd gets in close we have seen how punisher has h2h skills to at least hang with dd for a little and maybe even get the win...so h2h no guns dd 8/10, with guns pun 9/10, with prep 10/10
Ah, but while Punisher is firing into a smoky area, due to him apparently firing off a thousand instantaneous projectiles, DD will have already dodged...
And then Frank's gonna need to have a billy club surgically removed from his a**.
DD ftw. 🙂
Originally posted by jgiant
Yea dd will dodge on bullet, but can he won't be able to physically dodge a bullet that will be placed in a spot where he will be dodging too, punisher will intercept him, if he unloads an m-60 with all 200 rounds there is no way if punisher positions them right that dd will dodge all of them, the m-60 spits out about nine rounds every second, dd has enhanced agility, but not this good, punisher is too good with this weapon, he has sniped snipers in nam' with this weapon, dd will not survive, not possible...
Sniped snipers in nam! 😱 OMG!
Cause I haven't hit targets at a thousand yards before.
Besides, 200 rounds? Good thing each one is only 7 millimeters wide. If the punisher puts the bullets close enough together that Daredevil CAN'T twist or turn between them, he could certainly go to either side, or OVER them.
If he puts them far enough apart that Daredevil can't go to the side of them, or over them, he can certainly twist between them.
A well written Daredevil would dodge the shots with ease, and then be on top of Frank before the Punisher knew what hit him.
And we all know that Daredevil whips up on Frank in hand to hand.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Ah, but while Punisher is firing into a smoky area, due to him apparently firing off a thousand instantaneous projectiles, DD will have already dodged...And then Frank's gonna need to have a billy club surgically removed from his a**.
DD ftw. 🙂
Damn right. Daredevil can dodge bullets with ease, but I'd like to see the Punisher manage to dodge a daredevil billy club throw.
Especially one that rebounds off about five objects BEFORE it actually is implanted into the punisher's colon.
Originally posted by SoljerOMG a thousand yards with what? An m-60? No, i didn't think so? And if u did i call bs on u! And punisher hits dd, y, cuz dd can't dodge bullets that fast, he can just anticipate them, HE IS NOT FASTER THAN A BULLET, especially when he is up against a fully automatic weapon, tring to explain this to u guys is like talking to a wall, yea i kno dd has "dodged" bullets before, but not like this when someone thiss good is behind the weapon, and bullseye doesn't use automatic machine guns that often...
Sniped snipers in nam! 😱 OMG!Cause I haven't hit targets at a thousand yards before.
Besides, 200 rounds? Good thing each one is only 7 millimeters wide. If the punisher puts the bullets close enough together that Daredevil CAN'T twist or turn between them, he could certainly go to either side, or OVER them.
If he puts them far enough apart that Daredevil can't go to the side of them, or over them, he can certainly twist between them.
A well written Daredevil would dodge the shots with ease, and then be on top of Frank before the Punisher knew what hit him.
And we all know that Daredevil whips up on Frank in hand to hand.
Originally posted by jgiant
OMG a thousand yards with what? An m-60? No, i didn't think so? And if u did i call bs on u! And punisher hits dd, y, cuz dd can't dodge bullets that fast, he can just anticipate them, HE IS NOT FASTER THAN A BULLET, especially when he is up against a fully automatic weapon, tring to explain this to u guys is like talking to a wall, yea i kno dd has "dodged" bullets before, but not like this when someone thiss good is behind the weapon, and bullseye doesn't use automatic machine guns that often...
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I'm not saying that Daredevil can MOVE faster than a bullet, I'm saying that, apparently, his brain can process information at speeds FAR exceeding that of a bullet. His radar sense sensed each bullet as it was fired, he knew where it was even before the shooter did. He'll know where these are going, even before the punisher does. He'll be able to dodge them with just as much ease.
And besides, bullseye HAS used firearms before. Made no difference.
Seriously, man, I'm sorry that your favorite character loses, but get over it. He just can't compete with someone that has a superior power selection, without some serious PIS, or Jobbing. It's really that simple, 😬.
Originally posted by jgiant
OMG a thousand yards with what? An m-60? No, i didn't think so? And if u did i call bs on u! And punisher hits dd, y, cuz dd can't dodge bullets that fast, he can just anticipate them, HE IS NOT FASTER THAN A BULLET, especially when he is up against a fully automatic weapon, tring to explain this to u guys is like talking to a wall, yea i kno dd has "dodged" bullets before, but not like this when someone thiss good is behind the weapon, and bullseye doesn't use automatic machine guns that often...
You have to realize that , if well written, DD's powers are ideal, and suited perfectly for taking out guys exactly like Bullseye, Punisher, and those sorts.
Also, I heard of a feat where Bullseye threw a toothpick through BULLET PROOF glass, and killed a person on the other side. This may be false, but I thought I'd mention it. After all, wouldnt that toothpick have to be going pretty damn fast ?
And whether Punisher is pulling the trigger is truly irrelevant. the only thing that affects the chance of DD dodging it is the spped of the bullet. And Frank doesnt affect that. Sorry fanboy.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
You have to realize that , if well written, DD's powers are ideal, and suited perfectly for taking out guys exactly like Bullseye, Punisher, and those sorts.Also, I heard of a feat where Bullseye threw a toothpick through BULLET PROOF glass, and killed a person on the other side. This may be false, but I thought I'd mention it. After all, wouldnt that toothpick have to be going pretty damn fast ?
And whether Punisher is pulling the trigger is truly irrelevant. the only thing that affects the chance of DD dodging it is the spped of the bullet. And Frank doesnt affect that. Sorry fanboy.
Quoted for mother ****in Truth!
