Dominus vs Galactus

Started by Avalonofthewind6 pages
Originally posted by leonidas
ever the voice of reason, my friend. hopefully avy is not getting TOO po'd with me. this is just one of those (rare) cases where we see things differently. i wait for the time he changes my opinion. 🙂

Not po'd at all.

I respect your debating skillz, and those with an open mind will of course see that this is in reality a good battle no matter WHO you root for.

Originally posted by UniOmni
And kudos to me for making this thread.............

Pats self on back with unusually long arm.

Not bad....now don't get a swelled head about it... 😉

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Even if you don't agree with me at least you can say it would be a hell of a battle for galan.

i absolutely concede that point. i didn't respond to most of what you said because most of it you said already and i've made my case. i still see kismet as a lord of order granted a special station/function. if she is the one that opens paths for others, then without her things could get pretty screwy, but as i said -- it seems she IS dead and things are going fine. 😬

even if we simply agree on the fact that kismet and dominus are lords of order (he is, isn't he?) then on that basis alone, he'd give g a hell of a battle.

i hear what you're saying about the realities being real -- but the fact that OUR reality remained BENEATH them indicates to me that they were only "real" to supes. it was said a couple times he takes THOUGHTS and makes them real. if g can shield his thoughts, dominus wouldn't have anything to work with, and if a reality exists BELOW the surface of the one dominus creates, g's tp and cosmic senses could and should be able to pierce whatever reality domius creates around him. g is more than capable of looking through and into the various levels of reality, and of piercing them.

the thanos reference happened in the same xover -- ds took care of thor et al., while thanos took care of supes et al., (or am i recalling that incorrectly?)

about the multiverse resetting: that argument was just rehashed in the FP g v mxy thread. good timing. 🙂

anyway, good discussion. 🙂

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Right...when has Galactus ever even come CLOSE to destroying a universe or even showing he's Eternities equal in power?

Dominus creates a few Reed Richards with UN's and takes Galan out.

Time to put up or shut up.

I'm probably out of the loop in this particluar debate... but the UN is a aspect of Galactus. So saying Dopminus could make a few UN's is like saying he could mnake a few Galactus'. Had Dominus' showed that kind of power? If he did, couldn't Dominus just willed himself to be Kismet or willed Kismet to be dead? But he didn't?
Originally posted by Soujaboy
When Galactus starts losing mind battles with Jean Grey, Prof. X, Emma Frost, etc, I'll say Superman can defeat Galactus. Until that time, get that shit outa here.
I agree with this. Professor X's strongest mind probe with Magneto's help was totally beneath Galactus' notice in 'Secret Wars.' I mean, Professor X in the Astral Plane is pretty uber. But personally, I don't T-Vo would work on Galactus. Cosmic Awareness AND his vast telepathic powers that make Professor X seem like a mere fly? Meh... I dunno...

But I'm still waiting for explanations about T-Vo with scans and context. I tried to search function, but T-Vo in those threads appeared to be voluntary, so I'm still waiting for T-Vo to be forced upon others by Superman.

I couldn't be more disappointed by the lack of flaming in here.

Originally posted by Validus
I couldn't be more disappointed by the lack of flaming in here.

see what happens when you keep your nose out of threads.

Originally posted by leonidas
i absolutely concede that point. i didn't respond to most of what you said because most of it you said already and i've made my case. i still see kismet as a lord of order granted a special station/function. if she is the one that opens paths for others, then without her things could get pretty screwy, but as i said -- it seems she IS dead and things are going fine. 😬

She's not dead at all. Sharon Vance (basically her human avatar..aka "Strange Visitor"😉 is dead. Kismet lives on just like Superman did after they "fused." She even spoke to Superman outside of reality after the imperiex fusion but before he went back to apokolips.

To touch on a point...JLA/Avengers takes place AFTER Our Worlds at War.
It clearly showed Eternity and Kismet as equals.

Originally posted by leonidas
even if we simply agree on the fact that kismet and dominus are lords of order (he is, isn't he?) then on that basis alone, he'd give g a hell of a battle.

Agreed. I don't think it would be an easy battle either way.

Originally posted by leonidas
i hear what you're saying about the realities being real -- but the fact that OUR reality remained BENEATH them indicates to me that they were only "real" to supes. it was said a couple times he takes THOUGHTS and makes them real. if g can shield his thoughts, dominus wouldn't have anything to work with, and if a reality exists BELOW the surface of the one dominus creates, g's tp and cosmic senses could and should be able to pierce whatever reality domius creates around him. g is more than capable of looking through and into the various levels of reality, and of piercing them.

We've definitely covered this. Dominus would be going for the kill, as would Galactus. There wouldn't be any "fake" realities since he doesn't need Galan to be his messenger for anything.

Originally posted by leonidas
the thanos reference happened in the same xover -- ds took care of thor et al., while thanos took care of supes et al., (or am i recalling that incorrectly?)

Superman and Thanos have never fought in any x-over. However, Thanos did fight Captain Marvel, and Wonder Woman. Darkseid did Omega beam Thor and the rest of the JLA/Avengers away.

Originally posted by leonidas
anyway, good discussion. 🙂

As always.

Sorry to dissapoint you Validus. Damn the civility!

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
[B]She's not dead at all. Sharon Vance (basically her human avatar..aka "Strange Visitor"😉 is dead. Kismet lives on just like Superman did after they "fused." She even spoke to Superman outside of reality after the imperiex fusion but before he went back to apokolips.

To touch on a point...JLA/Avengers takes place AFTER Our Worlds at War.
It clearly showed Eternity and Kismet as equals.

i explained why that might be possible with jun. she's alive? full power? why not wiped out by spectre? have we seen her since that time? the dc sources i checked say she is presumed dead . . .

We've definitely covered this. Dominus would be going for the kill, as would Galactus. There wouldn't be any "fake" realities since he doesn't need Galan to be his messenger for anything.

but how do you know he can create 'REAL' realities? everything i saw says he uses an opponents thoughts to forge realities. that was the point of t-vo, which limited dominus. if supes can shield his thoughts i see no reason why g couldn't.

Superman and Thanos have never fought in any x-over. However, Thanos did fight Captain Marvel, and Wonder Woman. Darkseid did Omega beam Thor and the rest of the JLA/Avengers away.

oops, my bad. 😮 still, ww and cm ARE in supes class. if he handled them . . .

As always.

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Sorry to dissapoint you Validus. Damn the civility!

screw val!

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Originally posted by leonidas
i explained why that might be possible with jun. she's alive? full power? why not wiped out by spectre? have we seen her since that time? the dc sources i checked say she is presumed dead . . .

but how do you know he can create 'REAL' realities? everything i saw says he uses an opponents thoughts to forge realities. that was the point of t-vo, which limited dominus. if supes can shield his thoughts i see no reason why g couldn't.

oops, my bad. 😮 still, ww and cm ARE in supes class. if he handled them . . .

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screw val!

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She's definitely alive. As I mentioned before....SHARON VANCE died...basically an avatar for Kismet herself. Here are Kismet and Supes after Imperiex was defeated.

Here is a nice crisp scan, courtesy of my personal collection.

Hope that clears that up.

Dominus realities WERE real. You're implying that all of time and space existed in Superman's head? I know we both like Supes, but even I wouldn't go THAT far. Kismet acknowledge it herself. There is no question about that.

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Originally posted by leonidas
see what happens when you keep your nose out of threads.

I assure you it won't happen again.

Bumping