The vast preponderance of agnostic or atheist people have absolutely no problem with others who hold religious views per se.
However when one tries to assert religious faith as fact, when one tries to impose those religious views on others, interfering in science and politics, when one tries to convert others and when one tells others that they will suffer eternal torment. Then yes, I and others may have a problem with it.
Religion has no special protection from critical rational thinking. If one proposes an explanation for a phenomena based on religion, if one proposes a factual premise to their religious texts, then they are a legitimate target for sceptical questioning. The statement "Don't ask me to prove it." doesn't hold water if one asserts their belief as fact and seeks to impose it.
Re: When you ask me why I believe...
Originally posted by FeceMan
...which reasons do you want--the ones involving brainwashing, circularity, or ignorance?No, really. I'm just wondering.
Sure, I could talk about how the infinite vastness of the universe, the order that comes from chaos, how the nigh-incalculable complexity of atoms and molecules and their reactions that somehow work in perfect unison for us even to exist, and how the wonders of our world that have made even the most hardened atheists fall on their knees to worship Yahweh Elohim all point to a creator.
Or I could talk about all the biblical prophecy that has been fulfilled. I could even make a thread on it. It could show the prophecy that can be verified not just by the Bible but by historical documents.
I could defend my faith from the constant barrage of attacks under which it suffers from you all. I could refute, dispute, and allocute until I turned blue in the face. And others could help, too.
But, in the end, you don't want to know that. You want to know the following:
1. Were you brainwashed into believing Christianity? (That is, were you born into a Christian family?)
2. Do you believe in God because the Bible says He exists and the Bible claims to be the Word of God?
3. Do you believe because you see no reason for God not to exist? Isn't it right that you have never really been exposed to other religions?
And when I say that the answers are "yes" to all of those questions, you're satisfied. After all, I'm nothing more than a sheep who has been deceived by other sheep who blindly follow a fictitious deity.
So, stop asking. Don't ask me to "prove" that God exists. I can't, and even when I provide support for my beliefs, you dismiss it or outright ignore it.
Baa-baa.
To be honest, you are one of the people that makes me want to take a closer look at Christianity, but then I see people like SCDUF and Jesusisalive and even if they are right and I burn in hell, I just can not be one of them.
Originally posted by Shalimar_fox
no you guys say the most hurtfull thing at time when we are just talking.and yes they are heart felt things
Well Honey, when you tell us that we deserve to Burn in Hell for all Eternity just for being who we are, than you better expect some kind of backlash. ✅
Originally posted by Jacope X
EXACTLY! Its very unecessary!
As is your condemnation of all people who do not beleive what you beleive ✅
Re: Re: When you ask me why I believe...
Originally posted by crazy
To be honest, you are one of the people that makes me want to take a closer look at Christianity, but then I see people like SCDUF and Jesusisalive and even if they are right and I burn in hell, I just can not be one of them.
I agree. I have actually grown to like Feceman and see him as a rather intelligent person, not a zealot.
He gives his religion a rather attractive veil, while people like JIA, Sonnet, Marcello, Adarksiedjedi, Usagi, etc. just turn me off to the mythology of Christianity.
Originally posted by crazy
To be honest, you are one of the people that makes me want to take a closer look at Christianity, but then I see people like SCDUF and Jesusisalive and even if they are right and I burn in hell, I just can not be one of them.
😛
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Well Honey, when you tell us that we deserve to [b]Burn in Hell for all Eternity just for being who we are, than you better expect some kind of backlash. ✅As is your condemnation of all people who do not beleive what you beleive ✅ [/B]
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I agree. I have actually grown to like Feceman and see him as a rather intelligent person, not a zealot.He gives his religion a rather attractive veil, while people like JIA, Sonnet, Marcello, Adarksiedjedi, Usagi, etc. just turn me off to the mythology of Christianity.
Damn..I used to like Face Man...but i had to reconsider due to this post...good job, Urizen. Hat0r.
Re: Re: Re: When you ask me why I believe...
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I agree. I have actually grown to like Feceman and see him as a rather intelligent person, not a zealot.He gives his religion a rather attractive veil, while people like JIA, Sonnet, Marcello, Adarksiedjedi, Usagi, etc. just turn me off to the mythology of Christianity.
Or just to expose your overzealous tactics 🙂
Originally posted by Shalimar_fox
who has told you this,it is not of the right to pass judgement apond you.
99.9% of Fundmental Christians have made some kind of unfiar or bias judgement against me without knowing anything about me.
Originally posted by Shalimar_fox
Or just to expose your overzealous tactics
You're mad at me cuz I like Feceman ? Overzealous tactics? You mean occasional logic, sarcasm, humor, and masturbation ?
Those 4 tactics are my foundation for a successful debate ! 😄
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
99.9% of Fundmental Christians have made some kind of unfiar or bias judgement against me without knowing anything about me.You're mad at me cuz I like Feceman ? Overzealous tactics? You mean occasional logic, sarcasm, humor, and masturbation ?
Those 4 tactics are my foundation for a successful debate ! 😄
Hmm. Or your bizarro versions of them at least.
Re: When you ask me why I believe...
Originally posted by FeceMan
This pleases me. If it makes you feel any better, heaven has no suffering in it, so you won't be near them.
I attempted to read through the delusional tripe posted at the beginning of this thread several times, but the lack of truth and the abundance of delusion in - kept forcing me to stop reading it half way thru.
If you truly believe yourself to be a Christian, pray tonight that God gives you the ability to distinguish between the wisdom of the wise, and the praises of a fool.
Originally posted by The_Barbarian
I attempted to read through the delusional tripe posted at the beginning of this thread several times, but the lack of truth and the abundance of delusion in - kept forcing me to stop reading it half way thru.If you truly believe yourself to be a Christian, pray tonight that God gives you the ability to distinguish between the wisdom of the wise, and the praises of a fool.