Trial of Terror

That's true, experience doesn't mean secured victory, not nearly, but it is an advantage nontheless. But I don't think Revan has shown nearly any force powers as far as I know of, well the sith ones were impressive, but as said before, Yoda had defences for nearly all techniques, and his power in the force was unmatched by all except the most powerful sith in history, who stalemated him. (Who actually was weaker than Yoda, it was explained that Yoda with the dark side would annihilate Sidious).

But whatever, I will be gone for a while, so I probably won't have time to debate much more, so we might just continue to have seperate opinions about this. It doesn't matter for me at least...

If you can kamikz, please tell me the source where you got the information that Yoda has every defence and knows all Force moves. Otherwise, I cannot say who's better in the Force: Revan or Yoda. But I agree, both are equal pretty much in the Force so it doesn't matter. Don't worry, we can debate this anytime later.

So much mis information about Revan in this thread....

Revan most likely made his holocron BEFORE his redemption:

Unbeknownst to the Jedi Order, DARTH REVAN has discovered numerous Sith artifacts and holocrons, all stored in great tomb-like cities buried beneath Malachor V's surface. As Revan plundered these tombs and relics, he fell deeper into the Dark Side.

Revan knew he had discovered more than a staging area for the Mandalorian War - he had discovered an ancient, planet-sized Sith storehouse of knowledge. He had discovered a world that held one purpose - to teach and train others in the ways of the Sith.

The Chronicles

Now Revan while he disappeared from the Republic
(which was only a year 3960 BBY when the Mando wars end, 3959 BBY when Revan returns) he most likely made the holocron on Lehon, because its illogical to go "what if..." when we already have a given.

Now I want to challenge that Yoda has more overall knowledge of the force then Revan, Lightside I'd agree Yoda trumps Revan, but Dark Side knowledge? No. Especially when Revan has a planet sized warehouse of Dark Side knowledge, has the relics he stole from Korriban, has spoken with lords like Ajunta Pall.

And Revan was likely 22 - 23 during the Jedi Civil War.

1 question, how credible are the chronicles? It's just that they've been known to contradict stroyline from the actual game.

That was a good summary ACStyles. However, the part of Yoda being better than Revan in the Force has attracted my attention. Revan has showed mastery of many moves in the Light. Yoda we have seen is able to do Force Whirlwind, Force Reflect, Telekinesis, Force Pull, Force Valor, and Master Speed. Revan knows most of the Light Side moves in KOTOR, like Master Speed, Master Shield, Force Valor, Lightning, etc. Of course, if there was a source that said "Yoda is the greatest" then I'll concede that Revan is more worse in the Force.

And Revan was likely 22 - 23 during the Jedi Civil War.

Not that I strongly disagree or anything, but out of curiosity, how did you get these numbers?

I can agree with the "Revan did it before" part now.

But it WAS stated in the novelisation that Yoda was the most powerful jedi ever, so that tops Revan! It says that during the fight with Sidious.

And I'm so pissed that I can't get the source book that says it, I'm really sorry for this. I'll bring this up if I find it someday, but having 800 years of studying I would say it is logical to assume that he has mastered most techniques, when people not near half his age (or at his potential either) has mastered most techniques. Yoda also knows the path to immortality which is something that was figured out during his time, so I doubt anyone else have that force knowledge except for Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. (And some else)
It was stated in dark rendezvous that Yoda when utilizing the dark side would annhiliate Sidious (who was stated to be THE most powerful sith), so it is pretty safe to assume that Yoda has damn much dark side knowledge.

Wrong, if Yoda turned to the Dark, then he could annhilate Sidious. Yoda doesn't know the Dark, he's purely Light. If he was to turn to the Dark Side, then he coudl annhilate Sidious. But Yoda is a champion of the Light Side.

That was only what Dooku thought, hardly gospel. And that was ROTS Sidious, not DE.

Wait, I don't get what you are saying. 😛 Yes, if Yoda went to the dark side and actually used dark side techniques, he would annhilate Sidious, is that what you mean? Man I'm confused!

Actually, didn't Dooku have a "vision", not a "thought"? I don't remember...

Oh, if it was a vision then I take back what I said. I always heard that it was a thought or something.

I am saying that if Yoda fell to the Dark Side, he would have been so powerful that he would have annihilted Sidious (which is hard to imagine).

Just for future reference, the quote from Dark Rendezvous:

"At this moment Yoda turned, and Dooku gasped. Whether it was the play of the holomonitors, beaming their views of bleak space and distant battles, or some other trick of the light, Yoda's face was deeply hidden in the shadows, mottled black and blue, so that for one terrible instant he looked exactly like Darth Sidious. Or rather, it was Yoda as he might have been, or could yet become: a Yoda gone rotten, a Yoda whose awesome powers had been utterly unleashed by his connection to the dark side. In a flash Dooku saw how foolish he had been, trying to urge the old Master to the dark side. If Yoda ever turned that way, Sidious himself would be annihilated. The universe had yet to comprehend the kind of evil that a Jedi Knight of nearly nine hundred years could wield."

-- Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, Chapter 11.

Damn, Darth Yoda seems quite impressive.

Yup, that's why I made the speculation thread "darth Yoda vs DE Sidious", which no one answered on. 🙁

Oh, someone did! 😄

Originally posted by Dessel
Not that I strongly disagree or anything, but out of curiosity, how did you get these numbers?

This is my own speculation.

Well you gotta figure he was called a prodigy multiple times, is constantly referenced as young, and by definition(prod¡Eigy /ˈprɒdɪdʒi/Pronunciation[prod-i-jee] ¡Vnoun, plural -gies. 1. a person, esp. a child or young person, having extraordinary talent or ability: a musical prodigy.) He should be relatively young, I'm figuring he was made a Knight at the age of about 16 - 17, (I'm guessing this on the fact that Freedon Naad was being considered for Knighthood at 16 years old, and Freedon Naad while impressive as a knight was never described in the terms the Jedi Masters describe Revan as a Knight the heart of the force, a prodigy, being described as power, having an insatiable appetite for knowledge) Now add on a year for establishment then the 7 years from the time he entered the Mandalorian Wars in 3,963 BBY till the end of the Jedi Civil War 3956 BBY so by the end of KOTOR 1 he should be about 23 - 24, while during the JCW he would have been 22 - 23. And by the end of KOTOR 2 which is 5 years after KOTOR 1 he should be about 28 - 29.

Originally posted by kamikz

But it WAS stated in the novelisation that Yoda was the most powerful jedi ever, so that tops Revan! It says that during the fight with Sidious.

Was Post-KOTOR Revan even an official Jedi? I mean, sure, Mand. Wars Revan was, but, as Revan (not Kaiser Soze, or whateverthehe11 you chose to call yourself in KOTOR) himself, did he ever truly return to the order?

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