Mace Windu vs Darth Vader

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Can you name the source where is says Appeal to Probability is an illogical fallancy? Wikipedia says otherwise, so I was a bit confused.

Uh? Appeal to probability is a logical fallacy, I have no idea what an "illogical fallancy" is. 😛 And what do you mean Cliff Notes says otherwise? The first sentence is:

The appeal to probability is a logical fallacy, often used in conjunction with other fallacies.

It says "often used", which doesn't mean without another fallacy it is incorrect to say. Your Cliff Notes even would note:

...the appeal to probability is a common trend in many arguments, enough for many to consider it a fallacy of itself.

As far of the rest of your post goes, I will not concede to a debate as something different than I'd feel it was. And I can, indeed, admit defeated (see: Ushgarak owning my ass, and I admitted that someone who I couldn't stand at the time, "beat me" technically, as their case was more put together then mine). I would not hold it as a victory over you, or a loss for you - however you want to put it, and even though there really isn't another option, I will not agree it was a "tie".

Track records have nothing to do with debating, or how good you actually are. For example, on EoD any argument I make is utterly destroyed for the most part, ha. Who the hell keeps a track record anyways? Lol. The fact still would remain that you're far better than the [current] majority of KMC debaters.

Oh...I guess I must have been reading wrong (probably the pressure from debating against someone of your skill).

As far of the rest of your post goes, I will not concede to a debate as something different than I'd feel it was. And I can, indeed, admit defeated (see: Ushgarak owning my ass, and I admitted that someone who I couldn't stand at the time, "beat me" technically, as their case was more put together then mine). I would not hold it as a victory over you, or a loss for you - however you want to put it, and even though there really isn't another option, I will not agree it was a "tie".

Oh yeah, I heard about Ush doing that to you. Ush is on a plane by himself. BTW, I don't care about this anymore. That is a dead topic and my arrogance (I'm a guy, I get cocky a lot) told me that "Oh yeah PK, you tied with Advent!!!". Which is wrong, and you proved that 😛

Track records have nothing to do with debating, or how good you actually are. For example, on EoD any argument I make is utterly destroyed for the most part, ha. Who the hell keeps a track record anyways? Lol. The fact still would remain that you're far better than the [current] majority of KMC debaters

Yeah well, I'm the first I guess. And I suck compared to a lot of people, like Ush, Escape, you, and several other old-time debators. Some days I have the mindset to take on people MUCH better than me, but other days I am absolutely crap and I get almost get owned.

Track records have nothing to do with debating, or how good you actually are. For example, on EoD any argument I make is utterly destroyed for the most part, ha.

Really, really doubt that, Advent. You're among the best on EoD, too. If you think that they're leagues above you, you're damn wrong, lol. If I may remind you "Dooku > Sidious"? Rofl. 😛

Hey do you think I should I join EoD? I heard it was good so...

Originally posted by Prodigal Knight
Hey do you think I should I join EoD? I heard it was good so...

I don't go to EoD. I had a major disagreement with the way that Janus and Illustrious choose to run the forums. As such, they and I don't get along - at all. But, for the most part, people enjoy the place.

You should join, it's real good. The SW debating has kinda died down, but there's this real cool SW RP that you could probably join. The link's in my sig.

EoD?

I think that Mace will win this fight.

His Vaapad is effective against any Saber Duel form.

Forum run by an old member here.

EoD

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I think that Mace will win this fight.

His Vaapad is effective against any Saber Duel form.

Soresu counters it.

Really, really doubt that, Advent. You're among the best on EoD, too. If you think that they're leagues above you, you're damn wrong, lol. If I may remind you "Dooku > Sidious"? Rofl.

So, is that complimenting me too? You did say that me and Advent debate alike 😛

Originally posted by Swirly Girl
So, is that complimenting me too? You did say that me and Advent debate alike 😛

You are.

Believe it or not, I did actually once beat Advent in a debate.

Originally posted by Dessel
Believe it or not, I did actually once beat Advent in a debate.

I'll remain skeptical at this time. When Advent debates, she's the very best on this forum. The same with Janus, Illustrious, and co. When they really get serious, and out from that shroud of bias, there's no one who can stop them.

There are weaknesses in Advent's debating techniques, however it's hard to find them as she carefully writes everything she posts. Even if you come up with sometimes the best rebuttal, she finds a way to counter.

There are weaknesses in Advent's debating techniques, however it's hard to find them as she carefully writes everything she posts. Even if you come up with sometimes the best rebuttal, she finds a way to counter.

I'd be very much obliged if you could provide these `weaknesses`, as I've not seen any in her debating technique and I doubt I ever will.

When they really get serious, and out from that shroud of bias, there's no one who can stop them.

`shroud of bias`? I'm somewhat at a loss as what to say here.

Well I don't know about Janus or Illustrious, but that definitely applies to IKC. He's on par with the best, but he's phenomenally bias towards Kun and against Luke.

Originally posted by Swirly Girl
`shroud of bias`? I'm somewhat at a loss as what to say here.

On certain issues, some of your friends have been known to harbor extreme biases. That's what led to our falling out, Traya. The subject of the Ancient Sith, for example. How Janus regards Tulak Horde as the best lightsaber duelist on EoD, as I remembered before my account was deleted, despite only a single quote labeling him as any good.

And, yet, now, when the manner of Palpatine or any of the 'modern' era is brought up, such quotes are "naked" and without any evidence to back them up.

Then... Dooku > Anakin (isn't the case)... Dooku > Sidious (isn't the case)... Dooku > Yoda (isn't the case). There was a time when Count Dooku was the god of power, other than the Ancient Sith. Janus, Illustrious, Nai, Sorgo, Faunus - and, if I recall - even yourself. You argued for it, for the most part.

You all present your arguments so well that a lot of people ended up adhering to it. In that respect, you all are among the very best debators (in my honest opinion).

But you cannot deny that some of what you all argued is a bit ridiculous.

Originally posted by Dessel
Well I don't know about Janus or Illustrious, but that definitely applies to IKC. He's on par with the best, but he's phenomenally bias towards Kun and against Luke.

IKC is a vicious debator; kind've like I have been, at times, with you, and SW Legend. I agree. He was a fanatic for Exar Kun, and he thoroughly despised Luke Skywalker. In my opinion, anyone is free to like/dislike/love/hate any character they choose. But it becomes a problem when your debating reflects it.

However, I will say that the man could drive nearly any point home.

That is part of the reason I began to defend Luke and Sidious on versus threads when I came here. They were being undermined at every turn. I don't even want to get into all of them. Hell, Illustrious and Janus believed that 'Sidious was a benefactor of circumstance' in terms of his accomplishments. Why? My only guess is that they disliked the character and attempted to undermine him.