The way i understood things; although not the way i prefer them to be is that Beast is 40 ton strength. Spider-man is 15 ton.
All that aside however this is a fight to determine not even really who will win but who is the better fighter; if you see the difference.
Now i've seen Spider-man pin Wolverine in the same named one shot title.
However as far as fighters go...Beast is a bit like a little Hercules. When he wraps you up he really grabs ya.
I give it to the real Mccoy!
Originally posted by Wonder Man
The way i understood things; although not the way i prefer them to be is that Beast is 40 ton strength. Spider-man is 15 ton.
All that aside however this is a fight to determine not even really who will win but who is the better fighter; if you see the difference.
Now i've seen Spider-man pin Wolverine in the same named one shot title.
However as far as fighters go...Beast is a bit like a little Hercules. When he wraps you up he really grabs ya.
I give it to the real Mccoy!
Beast isn't even close to being a 40 tonner.
Oh well maybe you just weren't around in those days when X-factor was formed and forward from there when his strength dramaticly increased.
I hadn't heard of any decreases since but i haven't been following closely as of late and things change. Its possible that when he mutated into cat beast that he lost some strenght but i doubt it.
Originally posted by Wonder Manin all honesty i've never heard of beast being that strong he's been a 2 tonner for as long as i can remember
Oh well maybe you just weren't around in those days when X-factor was formed and forward from there when his strength dramaticly increased.
I hadn't heard of any decreases since but i haven't been following closely as of late and things change. Its possible that when he mutated into cat beast that he lost some strenght but i doubt it.
Originally posted by Wonder Man
Oh well maybe you just weren't around in those days when X-factor was formed and forward from there when his strength dramaticly increased.
I hadn't heard of any decreases since but i haven't been following closely as of late and things change. Its possible that when he mutated into cat beast that he lost some strenght but i doubt it.
Beast has NEVER been a 40 tonner.
Hank is really outclassed here, sorry to say. Peter is faster, stronger, more agile, a better fighter, has better reflexes, has a ranged attack (webbing), etc. etc.
Granted, Henry is very agile, and very strong, but Peter is simply better. You'd be hardpressed to find a character more agile than Peter when it comes to up close fighting in a combat situation.
Hank doesn't really have a single advantage that could be put to good use against Spider-man in a fight. He could perhaps beat him in a prepping battle, but that's another argument entirely.
If CIS is turned off, I really don't see Beast landing a hit. And honestly, Peter shouldn't be hit by street-levelers. I'm sorry, but Peter is all too impressive in the speed/reflex/agility department to be hit by Beast, if he really doesn't want to be hit. The only reason guys like Wolverine, Cap, DD, etc. can really hang with Spider-man in a combat situation is to make the fight interesting.
With that said, Peter wins every single time.
Originally posted by batdude123
Hank is really outclassed here, sorry to say. Peter is faster, stronger, more agile, a better fighter, has better reflexes, has a ranged attack (webbing), etc. etc.Granted, Henry is very agile, and very strong, but Peter is simply better. You'd be hardpressed to find a character more agile than Peter when it comes to up close fighting in a combat situation.
Hank doesn't really have a single advantage that could be put to good use against Spider-man in a fight. He could perhaps beat him in a prepping battle, but that's another argument entirely.
If CIS is turned off, I really don't see Beast landing a hit. And honestly, Peter shouldn't be hit by street-levelers. I'm sorry, but Peter is all too impressive in the speed/reflex/agility department to be hit by Beast, if he really doesn't want to be hit. The only reason guys like Wolverine, Cap, DD, etc. can really hang with Spider-man in a combat situation is to make the fight interesting.
With that said, Peter wins every single time.
i really have to disagree with you on the speed and agility here. i'd say that they are matched in that department. i've seen hank really move. secret wars and the ultimate x-men books. (please don't ask me to go look for scans, just believe me, i don't have a reason to lie)
however when it comes to strength, i think web head has hank beat. i don't know by how much but i don't think i've ever seen hank lift a car.
i'd say parker also has better durability than hank.
brains/strategy aren't going to be an advantage for either combatant.
parker has spidey sense on his side, and webbing.
hank isn't neccesarily (completely) out classed here but he loses due to spidey sense and equipment.
it's a good fight that sees spiderman tipping his hat to a defeated beast.
Originally posted by geshien
i really have to disagree with you on the speed and agility here. i'd say that they are matched in that department. i've seen hank really move. secret wars and the ultimate x-men books. (please don't ask me to go look for scans, just believe me, i don't have a reason to lie)however when it comes to strength, i think web head has hank beat. i don't know by how much but i don't think i've ever seen hank lift a car.
i'd say parker also has better durability than hank.
brains/strategy aren't going to be an advantage for either combatant.
parker has spidey sense on his side, and webbing.
hank isn't neccesarily (completely) out classed here but he loses due to spidey sense and equipment.
it's a good fight that sees spiderman tipping his hat to a defeated beast.
Trust me, I know Hank can move. I have plenty of X-Men books where Hank displays mind-boggling agility and speed. However, he still falls way short of Spider-man in those categories. It's especially in Peter's favor because he has a pre-cog sense (spider-sense) to aid his agility and speed. Beast is not so fortunate. So overall, Hank falls short of Spider-man.... in pretty much everything.
(Btw, Ultimate X-Men is not canon in the 616 universe)
So Spider-man still wins 9-10/10.
I just wanna say that the obvious doesnt always work. Yea Spidey is faster, stronger, more agile, but we all know that doesnt always guarentee a win. I do agree that Spidey beats Beast for the majority. I just wanted to make tht little point.
I personally think Beast is overrated on this forum. People usually have him winning battles against others, yet doesnt have the feats to back it up. Hell, Beast doesnt do well vs the likes of Cap or DD. Spidey beats him 8/10 imo.
Originally posted by jrodslam
I just wanna say that the obvious doesnt always work. Yea Spidey is faster, stronger, more agile, but we all know that doesnt always guarentee a win. I do agree that Spidey beats Beast for the majority. I just wanted to make tht little point.
It doesn't guarantee a win, you're correct, but it's a strong basis for comparison between the two. Otherwise, we'd all be saying vastly inferior characters would be beating the superior characters.
Originally posted by jrodslam
I personally think Beast is overrated on this forum. People usually have him winning battles against others, yet doesnt have the feats to back it up. Hell, Beast doesnt do well vs the likes of Cap or DD. Spidey beats him 8/10 imo.
I really don't know what to think of Beast on these forums. Sometimes I see him overestimated, and other times I see him being vastly underrated.
Oh well, doesn't change the fact that Spider-man whomps him.
Originally posted by batdude123
Trust me, I know Hank can move. I have plenty of X-Men books where Hank displays mind-boggling agility and speed. However, he still falls way short of Spider-man in those categories. It's especially in Peter's favor because he has a pre-cog sense (spider-sense) to aid his agility and speed. Beast is not so fortunate. So overall, Hank falls short of Spider-man.... in pretty much everything.(Btw, Ultimate X-Men is not canon in the 616 universe)
So Spider-man still wins 9-10/10.
fair enough
Originally posted by jrodslamIt works when they are vastly superior in several categories or much better in one alone... or have telepathy or something.
I just wanna say that the obvious doesnt always work. Yea Spidey is faster, stronger, more agile, but we all know that doesnt always guarentee a win. I do agree that Spidey beats Beast for the majority. I just wanted to make tht little point.
He isn't even a better fighter, so he's not winning that much.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It works when they are vastly superior in several categories or much better in one alone... or have telepathy or something.He isn't even a better fighter, so he's not winning that much.
I agree to a point. I mean there are some ways for characters to get around being inferior to their oponent that can help them split even at times. Thats why i say that just focusing on stats arent always the best way to go. In this case however, i do agree that Beast has no skill/ability that helps him get many wins here.
Originally posted by jrodslamWell of course in a comic. Spiderman would pretty much always beat Colossus in a comic, because he would always outsmart him, but in a match like this (which is theoretical) you are pretty much drawing a list of abilities and comparing them with their personalities in mind (unless stated otherwise). Spiderman would never beat Colossus here, because he has no way to.
I agree to a point. I mean there are some ways for characters to get around being inferior to their oponent that can help them split even at times. Thats why i say that just focusing on stats arent always the best way to go. In this case however, i do agree that Beast has no skill/ability that helps him get many wins here.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well of course in a comic. Spiderman would pretty much always beat Colossus in a comic, because he would always outsmart him, but in a match like this (which is theoretical) you are pretty much drawing a list of abilities and comparing them with their personalities in mind (unless stated otherwise). Spiderman would never beat Colossus here, because he has no way to.
With most battles on this forum, we have to think in comic terms as well to a degree. I mean if we have Spidey against Colossus, yea people would say colossus wins, but many people would still say that depending on the setting Spidey would beat him by outsmarting him as well. If we decide who wins by comparing stats/abilities all the time, wed have all those with superior stats the victor of every battle.