Thor and Beta Ray Bill versus Green Lanterns Hal and Kyle

Originally posted by Soleran
Gods meaning that they are already one step ahead of the GL's in durability and stats.

Kyle and Hal are still human they may have great wills and the rings however they are still human with frailties which are on a scale not commiserate with BRB and Thor.

no. Just no. IF one could cry they are a god every time a battle was placed in a forum, what the hell would we be debating for? Thor sure as hell wasn't able to beat magneto easily. And Mags is an OLD GUY who is considerably less powerful than Hal or Kyle.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Did not Sersi Turn Thor into a frog? Surely the Best Gl's ever can convert him into energy and pull him into thier rings.

I consider Quasar to be perhaps the best energy absorber around and he never did it, nor did he seem to suggest (in my experience) that he could.

I can't see the ring absobing Mjolnir

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
no. Just no. IF one could cry they are a god every time a battle was placed in a forum, what the hell would we be debating for? Thor sure as hell wasn't able to beat magneto easily. And Mags is an OLD GUY who is considerably less powerful than Hal or Kyle.

This just must be who you are, very much into drama.

Reread my comments it's PLAIN as DAY what I said, reading comprehension is a must.

I mean if you want to bring up Magento hell Deathstroke has put the hurt on a GL, derp now are you picking up what I am saying about a significant leg up in durability and stats?

Mjolnir and Stormbreaker will crush the power rings then Thor and Bill will crush these two.

Whatever anyone wants to stay in terms of straight up durability Thor and BRB are ahead of Hal/Kyle. I am not using that as a reason for victory, but it is true.

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
I consider Quasar to be perhaps the best energy absorber around and he never did it, nor did he seem to suggest (in my experience) that he could.

I can't see the ring absobing Mjolnir

Quasar is not the best Energy Absorber. That title would go to Takion 😄

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Mjolnir and Stormbreaker will crush the power rings then Thor and Bill will crush these two.

Thanks for such an eloquent and well thought out argument.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Quasar is not the best Energy Absorber. That title would go to Takion 😄

I did say perhaps 😉

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
I doubt that Thor or Bill has ever created Superman level beings that can use the Speed Force or recreated a planet like OA or contained a Big Bang.

Think about the whole concept there. Kyle creates a being from his subconscious that is even stronger than himself. Infact this person is so strong he has to make an entire makeshift JLA to help him fight this foe.

If he had all that power to negin with why doesn't he use it instead of having his ring make it for him. 😬

Plot device of the biggest order. Hal once showd the ability to summon the GL corps through his ring. I think that is a little plot deivicy as well. Think about if he could recreate all those beings why didn't he just make himself stronger instead.

I doubt that in reality they can summon armies by themselves without some short of giant plot hole needed. So no I don't think Hal NAd Kyle are doing those things in this match.

And containing a big bang once which is far above Kyle's normal showings just proves that many people aren't willing to use some common sense 😬

Originally posted by Newjak

And containing a big bang once which is far above Kyle's normal showings just proves that many people aren't willing to use some common sense 😬

common sense...in comics???

Originally posted by Newjak
To be honest can you think of a more plot device ridden story to date.

Think about the whole concept there. Kyle creates a being from his subconscious that is even stronger than himself. Infact this person is so strong he has to make an entire makeshift JLA to help him fight this foe.

If he had all that power to negin with why doesn't he use it instead of having his ring make it for him. 😬

Plot device of the biggest order. Hal once showd the ability to summon the GL corps through his ring. I think that is a little plot deivicy as well. Think about if he could recreate all those beings why didn't he just make himself stronger instead.

I doubt that in reality they can summon armies by themselves without some short of giant plot hole needed. So no I don't think Hal NAd Kyle are doing those things in this match.

And containing a big bang once which is far above Kyle's normal showings just proves that many people aren't willing to use some common sense 😬

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
😬 GL ring is the most powerfull weapon in the Universe it can do anything what the user wills.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah and power cosmic is supposed to be the greatest power in Marvel does that mean Silver Surfer can't go beyond a certain level 😬

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Surfer can't tap into Galactus's power.Gls can tap into to the Central Battery's power.

Hal and Kyle are no different they don't automatically call upon a whole bunch more power hence why every GL running around doesn't reach Ion or Parallax levels and the reason why Hal and Kyle aren't always on those levels without plot need.

Basically they have limits it's been shown they have limits to what they can do. Otherwise Superman couldn't fight them. Flash couldn't fight them. Face it a few big feats doesn't automatically mean they are limitless when the rest of their work shows many other things

Originally posted by Newjak
To be honest can you think of a more plot device ridden story to date.

Think about the whole concept there. Kyle creates a being from his subconscious that is even stronger than himself. Infact this person is so strong he has to make an entire makeshift JLA to help him fight this foe.

If he had all that power to negin with why doesn't he use it instead of having his ring make it for him. 😬

Plot device of the biggest order. Hal once showd the ability to summon the GL corps through his ring. I think that is a little plot deivicy as well. Think about if he could recreate all those beings why didn't he just make himself stronger instead.

I doubt that in reality they can summon armies by themselves without some short of giant plot hole needed. So no I don't think Hal NAd Kyle are doing those things in this match.

And containing a big bang once which is far above Kyle's normal showings just proves that many people aren't willing to use some common sense 😬

The GL ring has the power. If the user does not USE that power, that is not the ring's fault. Why do you think Kyle and Hal have the craziest feats of all? They may have low showings, but they have alot more than just a "few" high showings. Having me as a partner last tourney MUST have taught you that. 😬

The plot device is when they can barely contain a thug, not the other way around in high showings 😬

Gl's have run out of power as well so it's not like they are always crank'n it up 200%.

As I said before, Thor and Brb have what it takes to garner the majority of wins because of their hammers.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
The GL ring has the power. If the user does not USE that power, that is not the ring's fault. Why do you think Kyle and Hal have the craziest feats of all? They may have low showings, but they have alot more than just a "few" high showings. Having me as a partner last tourney MUST have taught you that. 😬

The plot device is when they can barely contain a thug, not the other way around in high showings 😬

And willpower only goes so far becuase there are limits and they've been explored many times unless of course you think a GL is say taking on Odin or would you take Hal or Kyle over Thanos. 😬

They are tough but they still have a normal operating power and besides a few moments of really impressive feats most of them just don't really show them being higher than a herald level being.

Originally posted by Newjak
Silver Surfer directly taps into the Power Cosmic which for all intents and purposes is bacially infinite and he can summon alot of it but he limits doesn't he.

Hal and Kyle are no different they don't automatically call upon a whole bunch more power hence why every GL running around doesn't reach Ion or Parallax levels and the reason why Hal and Kyle aren't always on those levels without plot need.

Basically they have limits it's been shown they have limits to what they can do. Otherwise Superman couldn't fight them. Flash couldn't fight them. Face it a few big feats doesn't automatically mean they are limitless when the rest of their work shows many other things

I'm just saying that their "limits" is above Thor and Bill.Has Bill ever absorbed any kind of energy with the Strombreaker?Because I don't remember him doing that.If no it might be easier to take care of him since it will be harder for him to encounter Hal's and Kyle's attacks. After that it is 2 against 1 and I doubt Thor could handle them.

Even if Bill can absorb energy it doesn't mean that the GLs lost since they can stop time.

Imo Hal and Kyle wins because they are more versatile then the Asgardians.They can do the same things as Thor and Bill and more
as their feats have shown it.it has been shown that Gl's can deal with magic (for instance Starheart) but it hasn't been shown that the others could handle OAn energy.

Originally posted by Newjak
Actually you taught me alot.

And willpower only goes so far becuase there are limits and they've been explored many times unless of course you think a GL is say taking on Odin or would you take Hal or Kyle over Thanos. 😬

They are tough but they still have a normal operating power and besides a few moments of really impressive feats most of them just don't really show them being higher than a herald level being.

I would take a ring over the hammer when it comes to facing those guys though. The ring can do anything you THINK. The hammer is limited to whatever enchantments are placed on it (which are a lot to be certain). The rings just operate on a higher level is all. I am sure that if the big bang feat had happened in Marvel and Thor did it, no one would have a problem with it. I am not saying it ISNT PIS, but they have some other really crazy feats. In all honesty I equate the ring to power cosmic, and both in my opinion garner a slight majority against the Hammers.

They do not have a "few" high showings. They have ALOT. I mean their defenses are top notch (flying in the sun which is like a million H-Bombs all at once, auto defenses, can fly in blackholes.), their offensive powers are all based on what they think they can do. I mean beating on a Amazo that all the powers of the JLA, JSA, Firestorm and many more (basically all the people in the world)?

Traitor, a guy whos blasts can destroy planets?

Gods, Angels, and blah blah blah. Yes Thor is very powerful (and has faced very powerful foes I know), but the ring has more options.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Off course they have limits never said they don't have.

I'm just saying that their "limits" is above Thor and Bill.Has Bill ever absorbed any kind of energy with the Strombreaker?Because I don't remember him doing that.If no it might be easier to take care of him since it will be harder for him to encounter Hal's and Kyle's attacks. After that it is 2 against 1 and I doubt Thor could handle them.

Even if Bill can absorb energy it doesn't mean that the GLs lost since they can stop time.

Imo Hal and Kyle wins because they are more versatile then the Asgardians.They can do the same things as Thor and Bill and more
as their feats have shown it.it has been shown that Gl's can deal with magic (for instance Starheart) but it hasn't been shown that the others could handle OAn energy.

He has absorbed high powered attacks from extremely powerful beings. I'm not to sure on BRB but I'm pretty sure he has absrobed energy before but even if he can't does that really make a difference can Superman absorb energy yet he can take it to any GL.

So while they may have a greater degree of versatility they both have ways of countering them. Thor has absorbed souls, mind erased people, teleported, and absrobed almost any and every kind of energy imaginable including blasts of power cosmic from Silver Surfer.

Yeah I think they have the major bases covered. Plus unlike Hal and Kyle the Asgardains don't have to worry about energy manip on them since they naturally have their physical power unlike the GLs who have to amp themselves to those levels.

While the GLs have the obvious verasitiliy overall the Asgardains have a counter for everything the GLs could throw at them.

And it's not like Hal and Kyle really are that above in limits to the Gods. A GL has problems with Superman heck BRB has one-shotted planets before not even Superman can boast that claim.