Surreal plewwwse go celebrate you barfabeth ending somewhere else. Leave the sparrabeth thread alone. You may have won the battle, but did you win the war? 😛
I see that everyone is discussing the special edition novel, this is an interesting analysis made by A Pirates Kiss on another forum...Its long but is worth reading it.
First off this is the scene of Jack and Liz before she gets in the long boat...
Hey, mates.
I am going to post this here since I saw the discussion of whether or not Will might have let Elizabeth go.Well, I bought the Collector's Edition of the novelization. It has all three stories in it; CotBP, DMC, and AWE. I know we have to go by what we were given in the movie itself, but I find A LOT in this novelization that is very interesting and had it been in the movie, well, it probably would have made people really stop and think about what was really going on here.
The scene I am talking about right now is the Willabeth goodbye scene. I am not going to type the entire section. (I do not have a scanner...sorry.) I will post some things I found very interesting and made me view their beach scene from a different perspective, as well as the after-credits scene.
Here ya go:
"Nearly sunset," he pointed out, as Elizabeth unwrapped her arms and sat down beside him. "Whatever fate awaits me....I don't expect the world to stop turning."
Now, this immediately made me sit up and reread what I just read. I do not know how any of you interpret this, but IMHO, I think he is, in a sense, telling her that he expects and accepts her to live her life, and that there is no guarantee of what is to come for him, her, or the two of them as a couple. That is how I interpreted it immediately, and I do not feel it is me grasping at straws. So I give you that to think on.
Immediately after that statement:
Trying to ignore her stricken expression Will went on. "We both have obligations already....and I am asking you to take on another." Turning, he pulled his coat off of the sand, revealing the Dead Man's Chest. "Will you keep this safe?"
What I find odd here is: Is this really something you have to ASK your wife to do. I am not trying to sound ridiculous, but if it was my husband, I cannot believe he would have to ask...and in such a...hmmm..formal way. I dunno. I found that odd. Maybe it is just me. And what are their other "obligations"? Obviously, his duty to ferry the souls, but what about her? Does he mean her status as Pirate King? This is just weird, is it not?
Then it goes on, and he tells her that he loves her and she says it back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever...LOL (Sorry, bitter Sparrbeth moment.) Anyway, just like the movie she runs after him, because he didn't kiss her, but in this she says:
"You will come back to me," she said. "Keep a weather eye," Will answered.
No big deal there, but just a small difference from the movie. Unless I just absent-mindedly missed her saying anything.
Now, this is the closing paragraph. Again, I know this is a novelization...an adaptation, but still....raises an eyebrow, I think.
Elizabeth had no idea what the future held for her or Will. Nor did she know what would become of the Brethren Court, Barbossa, and most important, Captain Jack Sparrow. What she did know was, for this one moment, the world was as it should be--with pirates free to sail the seas, and countless souls in the safe hands of the new captain of the Flying Dutchman, Will Turner.
Now, this might be nitpicking things, but still..words, sentences, paragraphs are up for interpretation and to portray a certain message. And this is what I gathered from it or what questions I had: The first sentence, "Elizabeth had no idea what the future held for her or Will." Her OR Will??? Really?? Why is it not worded her AND Will. Small oddity, but it still stuck out to me.
Where it mentions the Brethren Court, I wonder if she is concerned about it, because she is there to stay in control of it. I would assume so, but that is not what we are lead to believe in the movie...not by the scenes we saw.
And of course, what really sticks out is, "and most important, Captain Jack Sparrow." Oh, reallyyyyyyyyyy? Hmmm...interesting. What becomes of Jack is what is most important in her wonderment of all these things. Granted, the "most important" could just be referring to out of the other two options in that sentence; The Brethren Court and Barbossa, so of course, Jack would be most important on her list. Still though, I find it weird for it to be worded that way.
Finally, the last sentence about the world being just as it should be with pirates being free and Will Turner being the new captain of the FD. It almost seems that while she is going to miss Will, that she is content with how things are...meaning, she feels this really is what was meant to be. Weird.
I could be way off.
I will leave with one more thing. I know this is a long post. I believe somewhere, and I could be wrong, that Ted said that the ending or the after-credit scene was supposed to be more ambiguous than it was, but it ended up just being confusing, because some lines were left out. Now, I wonder if it has anything to do with the above-mentioned lines between W/E on the beach? It is just a thought that crossed my mind.
Now, here is the Epilogue of the book. It is the 10 years later scene. I know the movie has the DSK listed as Young William Turner, and again, I know the movie is what we generally go by, but odd considering how this is written. Here it is, word-for-word.
Ten Years Later: High atop cliffs, looking out over the sea, a young boy raced through the high grass, his voice carrying on the wind as he sang a pirate chantey.
Behind him, a woman appeared, her brown hair glowing red in the light of the setting sun. As Elizabeth watched her son sing and play, she smiled. Then, she raced after him and the two continued the song.
Suddenly, the boy stopped and looked out. The sun was about to dip below the line of the horizon and, for a moment, Elizabeth and her son stood absolutely still, afraid to breathe as they watched the glowing orb drop lower and lower and then...
A flash of green!
Out on the sea, a familiar and long-absent shape appeared. Will had returned.
Just as he had promised.
Now, that sounds rather ambiguous to me. All this use of a "young boy" not a ten-year-old boy. Also, "her son" and "Elizabeth and her son." If it is intended to be her and Will's child WITHOUT QUESTION, then why not say, "Young William Turner" or "Elizabeth and Will's son," or "their son." I just find that really, really strange. Why write it with such ambiguity if it is intended to be Will's son? What would be so wrong in just saying it is? I don't get it.
Also, there is no mention that any curse is broken; just that he returned. Now, I am not in any way saying that she does not love him or anything of the sort. That is why, I believe, even if with Jack or at least if she had been with Jack during those ten years, that it would be perfectly normal and acceptable for her to meet him. You go on loving someone even after they are gone. Technically, Will is gone.
One more thing...little but nevertheless....Will is only mentioned or referred to as her husband only three times in this book. All of which was during the battle and malestrom. Never again, other than her being called, "Mrs. Turner" by Barbossa do they refer to them as "husband," "wife," or "married." Am I crazy in thinking that is a little...strange? Also, in my opinion, it is clearly implied and demonstrated in the book that she still feels the need to "look after" or have Will "in her charge" which I think is the core of their love anyway,especially on her side of it, which in my opinion, explains even more why she would never leave Will despite what she feels for Jack. I truly believe she and Jack are in love, but because of the circumstances and/or other obligations cannot be together. Funny in that, circumstances and obligations keep her from both of the men she loves. Maybe that is the consequences she has had to pay for her past actions. I dunno.
And sorry...one more thing...When Will is on the Dutchman after they kill Beckett and looking at Elizabeth. The part where the whole, "Depends on the one day" line comes in. It says, "After everything he and Elizabeth had gone through, it appeared that they truly were destined to never be together."
Now, this could be only referring to the conventional form of being together, but I find it interesting the "destined" part. "Fate intervenes" and "a touch of Destiny" are the things that did, in fact, prevent them from being together. Put that together with their final scene in this book, it all seems to me like a parting...a letting go, but always holding onto the love they had. I see nothing wrong with that.
In my opinion, had any of this or all of this been shown in the film itself, Willabethers wouldn't be dancing in the streets nor screaming from the rooftops about "their" ending and the "implied" Willabeth spawn.
I don't know about the rest of you, but it raises reasonable doubt in my head