I think the closer May gets..the crazier we will grow...It just has to be jack and lizzie...there can be no other way...and Diva you are so right...Jack and lizzie are the star-crossed lovers....the forbidden love...the "I want to kiss you, but I can't" and the aching and the wanting.....then the explosion in the end.....Come On Disney....just once...since this is an adult movie..give us the adult ending..and not the sweet little expected ending of Will and Liz happily ever after...
YES!!!!!
wait...its gonna be an adult movie? yay! lol
i had a j/l dream last night🙂 i've had a lotta them lately, which may be a good thing😄 cuz i usually have dreams that reflect something that's gonna happen🙂lol...strange, i know, but it happens all the time, so i've decided that's what it means...lol...probably just wishful thinking on my part, but i'm gonna ignore that and get my hopes up anyway😄
well, unforbidden love, that´s what has always attrackted people.
but i think, even if elizabeth COULD have a chance to be together with jack, she´d first hide her feelings (if there are any like this) like she did in DMC.
that reminds me a lot of "pride and prejudice", but i love that combination of feelings😄 it´s sooo exciting (unlike her feelings for will).
i hope disney sees what everybodys waiting for and doesn´t disappoint us...they would throw stones into their own way if they didn´t put any tensed jack and liz scenes into the movie.
Originally posted by Djinn
well, unforbidden love, that´s what has always attrackted people.
but i think, even if elizabeth COULD have a chance to be together with jack, she´d first hide her feelings (if there are any like this) like she did in DMC.
that reminds me a lot of "pride and prejudice", but i love that combination of feelings😄 it´s sooo exciting (unlike her feelings for will).
i hope disney sees what everybodys waiting for and doesn´t disappoint us...they would throw stones into their own way if they didn´t put any tensed jack and liz scenes into the movie.
ah yes i love the whole 'forbidden love' thing..thats one of the reasons why i love the j/e pairing
i watched pride & prejudice a couple hours ago =D yeah thats what i was thinking
gah i hope disney doesn't disappoint us..although they probably will.. but if so, they wasted soo much time on all the j/e scenes in DMC..people complained the movie was too long, when they could've cut at least SOME of the j/e scenes out if they didn't mean anything
Originally posted by Hambah
ah yes i love the whole 'forbidden love' thing..thats one of the reasons why i love the j/e pairing
i watched pride & prejudice a couple hours ago =D yeah thats what i was thinking
gah i hope disney doesn't disappoint us..although they probably will.. but if so, they wasted soo much time on all the j/e scenes in DMC..people complained the movie was too long, when they could've cut at least SOME of the j/e scenes out if they didn't mean anything
exactly..that's what we've been saying for months...cut the "fate intervenes" line..cut Norrie and her's conversation about "a curious thing"...cut out the "persuade me" scene...don't make the compass point to Jack...don't put so much emphasis on that compass and then say "aw it didn't really mean anything..you just thought it was pointing to Jack, there was blocking in the way"...excuse me? t and t, why must they be so confusing?
yeah i hate that too. it´s pretty obvious the compass points at elizabeth from jack´s point of view. but the other way around they say "nooo it doens´t point at jack, it swang back ......" HAHA. funny. imo it could be possible t & t underestimated the effects the whole j/l thing would have on the audience and so didn´t pursue the idea of jack and elizabeth having something more serious, although i think that would be quite pity, cause the tension between j and e keeps the plot afloat if you know what i mean 😉
Originally posted by Djinn
yeah i hate that too. it´s pretty obvious the compass points at elizabeth from jack´s point of view. but the other way around they say "nooo it doens´t point at jack, it swang back ......" HAHA. funny. imo it could be possible t & t underestimated the effects the whole j/l thing would have on the audience and so didn´t pursue the idea of jack and elizabeth having something more serious, although i think that would be quite pity, cause the tension between j and e keeps the plot afloat if you know what i mean 😉
we have an accord...without the great chemistry between jack and liz....the movie would just fade into mediocrity....with alot of special effects
Makes you wonder what the movie would have been like without the compass. I don't mean Will going after it because Beckett wants it. The compass can stay. I mean leaving out all the "What's it pointing to when Liz holds it? Is Jack too fast for it? Is it pointing to him or is he just in the way? Is there a triangle on the beach? What does Liz think about all of that?" If all that were taken out, it would have been simpler and they could have SHOWN us more chemistry rather than just smacking it in our face. There was chemistry in COTBP without the compass.
(sighs) Jack and liz is so pure and joyable, and i just love them together to death, they make me laugh and cry and get all tingly inside, they are the reasons why i love Pirates not Will and liz, Jack and liz i'm not talking about a pansy and a poor governers daughter, i'm talking about a captain and a pirate who belong together. I agree with all of you why even make flirtasious scenes with Jack and liz and not have them end up together, or describe their kiss, sometimes when i lose hope of j/e i read the DMC script and all my faith restores, all on how they describe their beautiful kiss they share, a kiss that has been building since the day they met and Jack looked into lizzies eyes and know her TRUE heart is the same as his, or in the commentaries she killed a man she may indeed love, or slake her lust and drown her guilt and the tempting of kissing him again but pulls back, the look Jack gives her before they kiss the lusty look Elizabeth gives him, it all sums up tp passion, and from DMC that is how their relationship resolves in the end how i see it passion, how can you make her end up with another man when her true heart is with a pirate, and not just any pirate. Jack Sparrow
It would just be too great a role reversal if she stayed with Will now that they've expanded her character so much. You're exactly right about the purpose of including those kinds of scenes, but how are we supposed to understand and accept why, after experiencing all that, she would want a "normal" life? If they make it so obvious again and again she's a pirate, then she needs to stay one. It's not like in The Mummy where they took Rachel Weisz's character and did a 180. Liz's slight change has been building.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
It would just be too great a role reversal if she stayed with Will now that they've expanded her character so much. You're exactly right about the purpose of including those kinds of scenes, but how are we supposed to understand and accept why, after experiencing all that, she would want a "normal" life? If they make it so obvious again and again she's a pirate, then she needs to stay one. It's not like in The Mummy where they took Rachel Weisz's character and did a 180. Liz's slight change has been building.
Exactly...I just don't see how they can make Liz's character go back to Will, she has grown so much and experienced so much since the days when she use to daydream about Will...before she met Jack..that happens in life all the time...a girl thinks she's in love with someone, days dreams about him and then all of a sudden someone new comes into her life...a real man...and suddenly she finds herself thinking of him instead, but says...wait a minute, I'm in love with "will", i've loved him all my life"...and the "oh why do I keep thinking about Jack...he is so despicable, he's such a wretch..so why am i having all these fantasies about him"...."I can't be thinking about Jack...he's got bad hygiene, he's grubby, he's a Pirate, for goodness sake..he has no moral, no honor, no decency....ugghhhh..despite all this I find myself wanting him..why?"...."oh, i hate Jack, he is messing with my mind...okay, let me focus, let me think about my latest fiance, Will"......then in the end, "okay I'll kiss Jack and distract him, what harm can it be...."..during the kiss "OMG this is better than any fantasy I've ever had...but I can't have Jack, he's Jack Sparrow, for goodness sake. I'm engaged to Will Turner. I'll just leave Jack here to face the Kracken, and that way I'll remove him from my life, remove the temptation. OMG if Will ever found out about this, he would hate me."...then after the kiss...."omg, i'm looking into Jack's face and he is smiling at me despite the fact that I've just chained him to the mast....how can this be. Wipe that smile off your face, you are making this so hard for me. Just one more kiss, what would it hurt...no, no, I can't., oh I want to soo bad but I can't...this is the only way, can't Jack see that...the Kracken wants him, not us, I can't be with you jack, as much as we want each other, I'm already promised to someone else, I'm not sorry...." and then jack says "Pirate"...."what does he mean, he's calling me a Pirate"...okay I'm leaving, I must go before I change my mind..."...then later in tia's cabin..."OMG what have I done, I have just killed a man I may in fact be in love with..i feel so empty...so lost...did i dream it, or did Jack call me Pirate...OMG Jack loves me, and I left him to die..."...
Okay..this was a little crazy but I got carried away in my thoughts...I have crazy fantasy thoughts about Jack and Liz all the time....
Originally posted by far_away_eyes
I think they knew exactly what they were doing and it has been genius.
You know...you are so right...because we would not be here today talking about jack and liz...and waiting in great anitcipation for AWE...what, some 7 months later....they have dangled temptation in front of us....and have left us wanting for more....and looking forward to AWE in great hope and anxiety.....
But what will be bad for me...is if it was all just a big tease....they have showed us how great it is and could be between Jack and LIz...but then not to give us any of that in AWE would be horrible...and if they make her return to Will with Jack just being a "bump" in the road to Will and Liz finding true love and happiness...that makes me sick 😘
okay, i'm way to obsessed over this thanks to ted and terry...they are genious...cuz look at us all...all gravling at their feet wondering what will happen next....and whether they give us what we want or not...they accomplished their goal:.....keeping the audience on the edge of their seats, and making beaucoup money...
I understand what they would be getting at, though, making Jack a temptation to Liz and not going anywhere with it. It makes the W/E relationship less fairytale and more realistic, which is what a lot of people had complaints about in COTBP- that W/E was just too perfect. It also teaches an important lesson that love isn't easy and it's not always what you want it to be.
But in the case of Liz, I think it needs to show her at least trying to sort out her feelings for Jack. If she thinks about it and decides he was just a temptation and she loves Will, and Jack isn't too bent out of shape....that's fine. I can live with that. But if she decides she loves him and she needs to go with Will and Jack is left in the dust, that would just be horrible.
As long as there is some kind of closure and we know everyone is going to be all right and recover.
Originally posted by lovethemtigers
Exactly...I just don't see how they can make Liz's character go back to Will, she has grown so much and experienced so much since the days when she use to daydream about Will...before she met Jack..that happens in life all the time...a girl thinks she's in love with someone, days dreams about him and then all of a sudden someone new comes into her life...a real man...and suddenly she finds herself thinking of him instead, but says...wait a minute, I'm in love with "will", i've loved him all my life"...and the "oh why do I keep thinking about Jack...he is so despicable, he's such a wretch..so why am i having all these fantasies about him"...."I can't be thinking about Jack...he's got bad hygiene, he's grubby, he's a Pirate, for goodness sake..he has no moral, no honor, no decency....ugghhhh..despite all this I find myself wanting him..why?"...."oh, i hate Jack, he is messing with my mind...okay, let me focus, let me think about my latest fiance, Will"......then in the end, "okay I'll kiss Jack and distract him, what harm can it be...."..during the kiss "OMG this is better than any fantasy I've ever had...but I can't have Jack, he's Jack Sparrow, for goodness sake. I'm engaged to Will Turner. I'll just leave Jack here to face the Kracken, and that way I'll remove him from my life, remove the temptation. OMG if Will ever found out about this, he would hate me."...then after the kiss...."omg, i'm looking into Jack's face and he is smiling at me despite the fact that I've just chained him to the mast....how can this be. Wipe that smile off your face, you are making this so hard for me. Just one more kiss, what would it hurt...no, no, I can't., oh I want to soo bad but I can't...this is the only way, can't Jack see that...the Kracken wants him, not us, I can't be with you jack, as much as we want each other, I'm already promised to someone else, I'm not sorry...." and then jack says "Pirate"...."what does he mean, he's calling me a Pirate"...okay I'm leaving, I must go before I change my mind..."...then later in tia's cabin..."OMG what have I done, I have just killed a man I may in fact be in love with..i feel so empty...so lost...did i dream it, or did Jack call me Pirate...OMG Jack loves me, and I left him to die..."...Okay..this was a little crazy but I got carried away in my thoughts...I have crazy fantasy thoughts about Jack and Liz all the time....
I dont know about all u....but if she has to constantly remind herself that she has a fiance and that she "Loves" Him....IMO it ain't Love!