Originally posted by Escape81
?Err... Maul chucked him into a pit and died because of luck.
I don't see what yore trying to say. I'm saying, OB1 won out of luck, along with using the darkside...and then I was saying that ROTS Anakin, who is far above that OB1, and would have no difficulty with Maul.
Are you going to try to say that's wrong?
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
I don't see what yore trying to say. I'm saying, OB1 won out of luck, along with using the darkside...and then I was saying that ROTS Anakin, who is far above that OB1, and would have no difficulty with Maul.Are you going to try to say that's wrong?
I don't belive you can argue like that. Luck has nothing, no matter who it is really, to do with power, it doesn't matter if it is Yoda who is lucky, or TPM Obi-Wan, it's just luck. And the dark side didn't "beat" Maul in any way, he was caught off guard, but he still toyed Obi as hell!
The thing is that Obi didn't actually do anything with the dark side except surprise Maul while he was toying with Obi. Maul was still far above him, and the luck thing could account for anyone. We could compare this situation to a scene in a movie I saw recently. (Don't know the name, only saw the ending).
There was a battlefield, and everyone was dead on it except two soldiers who were fighting. One stuck his sword in the others stomach, who fell to the ground. When the other looked at him while he was on his knees, he actually took his sword and stuck it in his stomach as well. Would hardly call that a victory!
Originally posted by Council#13
Depends on the Grievous this is. Either way, he's going down. If it's CW, then he goes down after a really tough fight. Anakin would be able to beat Maul though, no doubt about that. Either way, Anakin wins both duels.
CW Grievous and ROTS Grievous are the same. The cartoons overpower everyone.
For example let's use Yoda. In AOTC Yoda struggled to keep up a falling column that would have crushed Anakin and Obi-Wan. In ROTS Yoda struggled to stop 1 senate pod and threw it back up.
Now in the cartoon Yoda pushes three droid transports back into the lander, has the lander close, lifts the land, and forces another one to crash into it. Also in the cartoon Yoda lifts hundreds of destroyer droids in the way of Vulture droids.
Need I go on? The cartoon overpowers everyone. Anakin will and can WTFpwn any form of Grievous as easy (or easier) then Obi-Wan did.
Originally posted by kamikz
The thing is that Obi didn't actually do anything with the dark side except surprise Maul while he was toying with Obi. Maul was still far above him, and the luck thing could account for anyone. We could compare this situation to a scene in a movie I saw recently. (Don't know the name, only saw the ending).
There was a battlefield, and everyone was dead on it except two soldiers who were fighting. One stuck his sword in the others stomach, who fell to the ground. When the other looked at him while he was on his knees, he actually took his sword and stuck it in his stomach as well. Would hardly call that a victory!
Maul was the one who got lucky being able to Force Push Obi-Wan into the pit. At that point in the fight Obi-Wan was tearing up Maul. Maul was struggling to keep up with Obi-Wan. Everyone says Maul was winning because he pushed him into a hole. So does that mean Palpatine was beating Yoda because he knocked him off a senate pod?
No, nononononono and no. Maul was TOYING Obi, he had no problems. Obi got one lucky strike at him because he surprised him, but that's it, except if you belive TPM Obi-Wan is above Qui-Gon Jinn, who got his ass handed to him by Maul, actually, both at once. Had that hole not been there, Obi would lie flat on the ground and had lost his saber, and all that flipping Maul did was necessary to the fight itself, or to show off?
Read the novelisation, it's all in there. Maul was NOT struggling.
And Grievous did become weaker as of ROTS, he got wounded (hence the coughing), Lucas stated himself that he wanted to change the idea from Grievous being a killing machine to instead being a general and a coward, so he had him wounded.