Originally posted by leonidas
that is . . . not the best logic i've ever heard . . . ❌seems . . . a little vain of you to decide to arbitrarily assign your "power points" in this way. 🙁
and in all universes (including our own) there are varying degrees of infinity. so that rule doesn't pply to just marvel.
What matters, is that they all have a equal number.
Theyt could have five points, or 236. It makes no diference. THE POINT, is that GEB takes up half of it's universes power, and Yahweh the other half.
wow, almost every post in here states or quotes the same sentences over and over again...
According to what I remember, the GEB is one of the primal aspects of Yahweh just as the Presence is. The GEB and the Presence are opposites and the presence of The Presence keeps the GEB at bay.
The Presense fyi is the aspect of Yahweh who appears on the Throne of Heaven (before it was destroyed) and in the DCU itself.
In the Lucifer series, the DCU is referred to as the second Creation of Yahweh and at the end, Lucifer travels through much of the Void exploring Creations where he (Lucifer experienced things differently).
As to the issue of whether or not Vertigo is in continuity for the DCU, it clearly is, as many different characters such as the Swamp Thing (in whose various series almost all the original Vertigo characters first made their appearances, and which did not become a Vertigo title until like 140 issues in). All Vertigo is, is an imprint in which the materials are rated R so to speak.
The Phantom Stranger, the Swamp Thing, the Spectre, John Constantine, et al are all the same in continuity characters in Vertigo as in the DCU line.
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The DCU, the 2nd Creation of Yahweh, is a multiverse, for instance, the Wildstorm and the 4th World are separate universes with seperate although similar laws of physics.
Also, the new Trials of Shazam series appears to be tying Shazam and CM into the higher order magic present in Vertigo books.
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as to the HotU, it was stated as I recall to be the source of all that existed in the multiverse that the LT oversees (I am summarizing). It does not state that the Marvel Multi/Omni verse is the only one that TOAA has.
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I think maybe the LT and probably Thanos with the HotU showed be able to drive out the the Great Evil Beast but nothing short of TOAA is going to wipe it out.
I think that someone mentioned Lucifer Morningstar in reference to the GEB... I would put them on rough equals, at least in the Void. The only thing that Lucifer cannot do, which Yahweh can, is create something from absolutely nothing. I.e. Lucifer must draw on the Source. Michael Demiurgos could create something from nothing but had no uber reality manipulation abilities like Yahweh or Lucifer (or that Lucifer seems to have granted Elaine later).
Originally posted by King Kandy
THE POINT, is that GEB takes up half of it's universes power, and Yahweh the other half.
how do you know this is true? are you stating a fact you've READ or seen IN-BOOK somewhere, or you stating an opinion as fact? and as has been pointed out (and as i've said . . . too many times recently it seems 🙁 ) vertigo IS part of the dcu.
I agree, we have lots of words like omniverse, multiverse, reality, et cetera that we and the writers throw out there like they are candy on Halloween.
I tihnk the best way to descibe a self contained continuity, such as the DCU, and the marvel multi-multi verse is a Creation, as Lucifer and others use in the Lucifer series.
Still, there is awkward ness with using a word that many will conote to be religious in nature.
Originally posted by leonidas
how do you know this is true? are you stating a fact you've READ or seen IN-BOOK somewhere, or you stating an opinion as fact? and as has been pointed out (and as i've said . . . too many times recently it seems 🙁 ) vertigo IS part of the dcu.
It's still valid logic.
Originally posted by Galan777Thats what I thought. Every debate with the GEB revolves around the statement "The GEB is the opposite of Yahweh so only Yahweh can defeat it."
Nothing, and thats been my point from the beginning.People are bringing there own oppinions of what God and his powers are supposed to be into this debate, and that dosen't fly without the evidence to back up these claims.
Originally posted by Galan777
Marvel has an omniverse my friend:DC has a Universe........ the 5th dimension dosent make it a Multiverse buddy 🙄
I think you are the moron. Your intellect obviously is so little that you didnt' comprehend the meaning behind my statement. You are the true moron. My statement was not that 5th dimension+DCU equals multiverse. No where in my statement did it say that. Ass hole. Don't make up stuff to suit your own desire to put someone down. I said that If the 5th dimension still exist, that means that the DCU is still a multiverse. Vertigo/the 5th dimension/the 4th world, and the DCU all exist together in continuity yet outside of each other's universes. Making the DCU still a multiverse. And the fact that we dont' know how the DCU is shaping up also lends itself to my theory that we dont' know what other worlds still exist. the only thing we do know is they got rid of the Alternate story line uninverses. But not the alternate universes with completely different beings. THanks Mr. but you are the one that seems like the idiot to me. Now stop insulting me and move on.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl😆 😆
I think you are the moron. Your intellect obviously is so little that you didnt' comprehend the meaning behind my statement. You are the true moron. My statement was not that 5th dimension+DCU equals multiverse. No where in my statement did it say that. Ass hole. Don't make up stuff to suit your own desire to put someone down. I said that If the 5th dimension still exist, that means that the DCU is still a multiverse. Vertigo/the 5th dimension/the 4th world, and the DCU all exist together in continuity yet outside of each other's universes. Making the DCU still a multiverse. And the fact that we dont' know how the DCU is shaping up also lends itself to my theory that we dont' know what other worlds still exist. the only thing we do know is they got rid of the Alternate story line uninverses. But not the alternate universes with completely different beings. THanks Mr. but you are the one that seems like the idiot to me. Now stop insulting me and move on.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl😆 Like I said, your a walking punch-line....... So why try and respond? 😆
And that is basically all you can do is laugh. Becuz you know i'm right. you were so busy looking for a way to insult me that you didn't even give anythought to what I said and the validity behind it. Chew bricks.
Originally posted by Galan777
😆 Like I said, your a walking punch-line....... So why try and respond? 😆
You know what, I see your time on the forum has turned you into an *******. Becuz I didn't come on here insulting anyone. You all just started insulting me. What the hell kinda forum is for debates if everyone thinks the same damn way. Now explain to me why DC isn't a multiverse when there are clearly different realities around? HMMM? you do that and I'll concede that you weren't being an ******* but a wise teacher trying to show me the folley of my way and was just misguided in your approach to enlightening me.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlShow me a scan where DC was said to have anything more then a universe post-crisis, that was cannon.
Now explain to me why DC isn't a multiverse when there are clearly different realities around? HMMM? you do that and I'll concede that you weren't being an ******* but a wise teacher trying to show me the folley of my way and was just misguided in your approach to enlightening me.
Originally posted by Galan777
Show me a scan where DC was said to have anything more then a universe post-crisis, that was cannon.
The fact that The New Gods still exist, Mr. Mxy still exist, and Vertigo is still publishing, shows that DC is still a multiverse. Especially since all of these characters criss cross from thier respective universes into the central DCU. No scan needed. I can go to the comic shop and pick up some vertigo comics and know that the multiverse still exist. Have you forgotten that the source is a universe unto itself as well? It exist in the same place as Oa in the center of the universe, but on another plane of reality. Thus the DCU is still a multiverse. And the fact that the main DCU has ABSORBED all the power of every single alternate universe into the main one means that it is still equally as powerful as the entire Marvel Omniverse.