Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
wait. what?I thought she had the power of a star even by your analysis not the ability to control them.
Oh, no. Storm can command stars. Its canon. She can draw upon the solar winds that come from stars, she can draw upon the life-force of stars to powre herself and even summon the full power of them.
She can't "command stars."
She once drew upon some of the power (not all of, as the stars remained afterwards) of many stars. Once. In the Galactic Core. Explained as able to do that due to the density of stars. Her body couldn't handle the energy.
On the surface of the sun she dies due to the heat, the lack of oxygen, the pressure and so on.
Thor wins.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She can't "command stars."She once drew upon some of the power (not all of, as the stars remained afterwards) of many stars. Once. In the Galactic Core. Explained as able to do that due to the density of stars. Her body couldn't handle the energy.
On the surface of the sun she dies due to the heat, the lack of oxygen, the pressure and so on.
Thor wins.
She summoned the full power of the core. The stars you saw were merely stars out of the core. They were in space. There are stars everywhere.
Look. She summoned the power of MILLIONS of stars. We are talking just one star here. Also, according to Uncanny 166, she can perceive the universe as patterns of energy and bend it to her will. This includes stars, planets and empty space. She commands the cosmic winds. That comes from stars.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She didn't summon the full power of the core, as there's nothing to suggest that she snuffed out any stars. And this killed her.She can't command stars. She dies if teleported to the surface of the sun.
This is why your side loses credibility. It doesn't matter much since many powers on here share your views that Storm should be at the level you want her to be at. The issue VERY blatantly states that she summons the full power of the core. This is not even up for debate.
She does not die if teleported to the surface of the sun providing she has life support. She thrives and grows in power. She immune to the forces she commands. If at a star, she's will not be directly harmed by its manifestations.
Originally posted by Rutog98Storm is instantly immune to all forms of energy/heat/radiation? I dont think so
This is why your side loses credibility. It doesn't matter much since many powers on here share your views that Storm should be at the level you want her to be at. The issue VERY blatantly states that she summons the full power of the core. This is not even up for debate.She does not die if teleported to the surface of the sun providing she has life support. She thrives and grows in power. She immune to the forces she commands. If at a star, she's will not be directly harmed by its manifestations.
Originally posted by Rutog98When Galactus began to feed on Rachel Summers, stars began to disappear from the sky. If she had drained that million stars of their power completely they would have been snuffed out. Take your martyr complex elsewhere.
This is why your side loses credibility. It doesn't matter much since many powers on here share your views that Storm should be at the level you want her to be at. The issue VERY blatantly states that she summons the full power of the core. This is not even up for debate.
Originally posted by Rutog98Surface of the sun? She dies. Credibility. Ha. There are several instances of her being injured by electricity, but the sun's gonna be a cakewalk. 🙄
She does not die if teleported to the surface of the sun providing she has life support. She thrives and grows in power. She immune to the forces she commands. If at a star, she's will not be directly harmed by its manifestations.
Originally posted by Rutog98
This is why your side loses credibility. It doesn't matter much since many powers on here share your views that Storm should be at the level you want her to be at. The issue VERY blatantly states that she summons the full power of the core. This is not even up for debate.She does not die if teleported to the surface of the sun providing she has life support. She thrives and grows in power. She immune to the forces she commands. If at a star, she's will not be directly harmed by its manifestations.
the problem is that with the way you defend your favourite character.. the more other people begin to despise her.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
When Galactus began to feed on Rachel Summers, stars began to disappear from the sky. If she had drained that million stars of their power completely they would have been snuffed out. Take your martyr complex elsewhere.
Surface of the sun? She dies. Credibility. Ha. There are several instances of her being injured by electricity, but the sun's gonna be a cakewalk. 🙄
But we don't go by PIS on these boards. Electricity is not supposed to hurt her and there are plenty of times where its shown.
Originally posted by Brian Oswald
Storm is instantly immune to all forms of energy/heat/radiation? I dont think so
On a star, yes. While on Earth, she cannot be harmed by any weather manifestations. This is stated in canon. Storm has flown on the cosmic wind before. She channels cosmic energies through her bdoy while in space. It does not hurt her.
Originally posted by Trolt
the problem is that with the way you defend your favourite character.. the more other people begin to despise her.
You know the reason this doesn't bother me much? When I see posters state Magneto can destroy the Earth by bringing down gamma rays or setting the entire planet ablaze and others going with it, I can't take it seriously. This is a guy who needs a machine to hike up his powers to turn off the lights around the world. His power over magnetism is much greater than the very limited power he has over related forces. I saw this thread before I created an account
From the get-go when I logged onto these boards, people wanted to limit Storm's powers at the expense of ignoring many of her feats. For instance, they say her strongest wind is 300 mph because the Official Handbook states it. They ignore the fact that she's lifted a skyscraper or redirected Siena Blaze's attack or flew from New York to New Orleans in a matter of minutes or summoned winds strong enough to punch her pressure dome through an iceberg/mountain or placed a great strain on Magneto's powers to withstand or the fact that her winds have been stated to be strong enough to level mountains. They want to limit her to the Official Handbook. On the other hand, a character like Namor is said to be able to lift 85 tons. In canon, he's done feats that put him in the class 100 range and so posters discuss him at the class 100 level. I don't have a problem with that. If he does class 100 feats, then he deserves to have that in our debates. Exodus, if I remember correctly, is stated to be able to only lift about 10 tons with his TK. He's much stronger than that in some of his canon showings and everybody gives him more credit that 10 tons. They should. Now, why the double -standard for Storm? These double-standards were in place for the character before I even signed onto the boards. It even goes against the forum rules.
This is just one example. I mean look at what Xmarksthespot is asserting: Storm did not summon the full power of the core. The issue stated in very plain english that she did. As a matter of fact in the more recent handbooks for Storm, this stunt is listed in her biography. It states that she channelled the steller energy, yet the stunt left her out in space unprotected. So the cause of her demise here was not the stunt, but the fact that it destroyed her spaceship as it was destroyed on panel from it. It was established earlier in the story arc (Uncanny 162-167) that STorm can only survive in space unaided for a few minutes. The Acanti found Storm before she expired and healed her body.
People dislike the way I am defending Storm because I constantly bring up issues that take her out of where they feel her powers should be.
It says she "summons the power of the entire core." which does not imply that she summons the totality of power from the core, just that she took power from the totality of the core. Impressive. Doesn't mean she can snuff out stars on a whim. Nor does it mean she can command or control them. It states the embryo does not survive the ordeal, and nor does she. Her body repairs inside the Acanti iirc.
As stated earlier, take the martyr complex to people who care.
Originally posted by Rutog98Being immune to her own lightning doesn't mean she can stand on the sun and not be incinerated. If you throw her into Marianas trench she doesn't become immune to drowning or having her body crushed.
But we don't go by PIS on these boards. Electricity is not supposed to hurt her and there are plenty of times where its shown.
Originally posted by Brian Oswald
But put her finger next to a match, it will burn. Teleport her to the sun. It will burn. I dont see the logic in her powers being able to instantly make her immune the power of a star. Can she make herself immune to various wavelengths of radiation or somehting? Is she immune to all energy attacks?
Your logic falls apart when you consider that this is a lady who channels lightning through her body all the time and has summoned lightning down on herself more times than I can count without any harmful affects. By the way, lightning on Earth is 5 times hotter than the surface of the sun. Storm's powers are adaptable. On Earth, she's not controlling stars. She controls the energies on the planet. Put her next to a star and she controls the energies of the star.
The reason this is the case with Storm is she has a bond or unity with the life force of these heavenly bodies. Indeed, she has a unity with life itself. Her immunity to these things are dependant on that bond. Hence, when she was in space for a couple of months during the Brood Saga, it affected her bond with the Earth. When she came home again, her bond was fractured. This is why in Uncanny 168 when Storm attempted a communion with the primal forces of nature, the Earth attacked her. She was cold, yet she mentioned how she was supposed to be immune to it. The issue states that she is supposed unable to be hurt by any weather manifestations.
In space, she has flown on cosmic winds and channeled cosmic energies through her body with no harm at all.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It says she "summons the power of the entire core." which does not imply that she summons the totality of power from the core, just that she took power from the totality of the core. Impressive. Doesn't mean she can snuff out stars on a whim. Nor does it mean she can command or control them. It states the embryo does not survive the ordeal, and nor does she. Her body repairs inside the Acanti iirc.As stated earlier, take the martyr complex to people who care.
Being immune to her own lightning doesn't mean she can stand on the sun and not be incinerated. If you throw her into Marianas trench she doesn't become immune to drowning or having her body crushed.
1) She summons the full power of the core. That's the totality. Perhaps she does not survive the ordeal for different reasons from the brood embreyo. The Brood can't take the energy, yet the stunt leaves her in deep space unaided which she can't take. Anyway, I can't wait till she evolves and no longer has the limits of a physical body. 😄
what do you mean being immune to her own lightning? Blitzkrieg has blasted her with electricity before and it didn't do squat to her. When he pulled electricity out of the air molecules around her to trap her in a cage, she dispersed it with a thought.