Batman versus Nightwing and Robin!

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
But thats what smarts is: the potential for knowledge.

Bruce is more knowledgeable, absolutely...But Tim has the potential to be better (smarter).

and u know this how??? like, is this written somewhere or is this another one of ur personal opinions 🙄

doesnt matter, the point is.. Batmans currently smarter and until the day Tim outsmarts Bruce or gains his 'potential' which for some reason Bruce lacks, even though he has a genius IQ 🙄, lemme know and we can debate then.

Originally posted by braz
and u know this how??? like, is this written somewhere or is this another one of ur personal opinions 🙄

doesnt matter, the point is.. Batmans currently smarter and until the day Tim outsmarts Bruce, lemme know and we can debate then.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Um....it's the definition of smart. If someones smarter than that means he has the potential to be more knowledgeable...Unless, of course, you go by a different dictionary. Then by all means explain.

yea i know, i realize that, but the part i dont get is why doesnt Bruce have that same potential or better than Tims??? he has a genius-level IQ of 160. thats perfect. cant get ne higher. and when did this change. ive never heard them say specifically Robin was smarter, and i think they would considering as they said Batgirls a better martial artist than Batman.

Batman.

maybe batmans been harboring some techinques incase something like this happend

Originally posted by braz
yea i know, i realize that, but the part i dont get is why doesnt Bruce have that same potential or better than Tims??? he has a genius-level IQ of 160. thats perfect. cant get ne higher. and when did this change. ive never heard them say specifically Robin was smarter, and i think they would considering as they said Batgirls a better martial artist than Batman.

Actually, that is not "perfect" and to my best knowledge there is no such thing as a perfect IQ. In fact with IQs there is no determined limit. A persons IQ is based on a persons percentage of Intelligence to that of the quote "average persons". So for instance if a person is as smart as an average person at 20 by the time their 10 they would have a 200 IQ. And I know for a fact 160 is not perfect or at least not the top out. There is a person living in Nashville right below my home town with a 325 IQ. There have been several reports on the news about him lately since he was going on a tv contest for a million in gold, which he won. He is in the Guinness book of world records as the youngest person to ever graduate collage at 11.

I took interest in his story because we are the same age. Off by only a few weeks. He was a college professor by 17, WOW! So, yes Tim can be smarter. And no I don't think either could beat him alone. Thou, Dick would come very very close but, it would take both of them. Dick and Tim combined would take the majority if not the whole.

The fact that Tim 'could' be smarter is irrelevant. The battle is TODAY, not 10 years from now. So today, Batman is alot smarter than Tim and Dick combined.

a simple analogy to prove my point: We have Michael Jordan when he was 14. Yes, he had the potential to be the best player, but he wasn't at that time. In fact, at that time, he couldn't even beat a bench player in the NBA.

Originally posted by masterbruce
The fact that Tim 'could' be smarter is irrelevant. The battle is TODAY, not 10 years from now. So today, Batman is alot smarter than Tim and Dick combined.

a simple analogy to prove my point: We have Michael Jordan when he was 14. Yes, he had the potential to be the best player, but he wasn't at that time. In fact, at that time, he couldn't even beat a bench player in the NBA.

Knowledge is what you know about "today".

But Micheal Jordan hadn't been trained by and playing along side one of the NBA's best. Also everyone keeps comparing the two to Batman individually, this is Dick and TIm as a team against Bruce alone. So think, Micheal Jordan at 14, after being trained and playing with Dr. J for years and he has the next best thing to Dr. J with him on a two on one game.

Batman COULD beat Tim and Dick INDIVIDUALLY but not as a team.
Together Tim and Dick win in 8.5/10
HELL Dick beats Bats a few times by himself. Only like 3/10 but still.

Originally posted by Entity
But Micheal Jordan hadn't been trained by and playing along side one of the NBA's best. Also everyone keeps comparing the two to Batman individually, this is Dick and TIm as a team against Bruce alone. So think, Micheal Jordan at 14, after being trained and playing with Dr. J for years and he has the next best thing to Dr. J with him on a two on one game.

Batman COULD beat Tim and Dick INDIVIDUALLY but not as a team.
Together Tim and Dick win in 8.5/10
HELL Dick beats Bats a few times by himself. Only like 3/10 but still.

Batman is arguably the 2nd most important member on the Justice League, and he has no super powers, just human. Think of everything he has been through, his experiences, the threats he has faced and triumphed over, his knowledge base, his mastery of all martial arts and fighting forms, his complete physical perfection, his mental strength and ultimately his Batmanness and you quickly realize that Batman will have little trouble disposing of his proteges. Tim and Dick are both formidable, even more so as a team. But Batman is in a league by himself.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Batman is arguably the 2nd most important member on the Justice League, and he has no super powers, just human. Think of everything he has been through, his experiences, the threats he has faced and triumphed over, his knowledge base, his mastery of all martial arts and fighting forms, his complete physical perfection, his mental strength and ultimately his Batmanness and you quickly realize that Batman will have little trouble disposing of his proteges. Tim and Dick are both formidable, even more so as a team. But Batman is in a league by himself.

This is ignoreing the fact that Nightwing and Tim have argueably been through a large portion ALONG SIDE batman, learing from his expirences as well as gaining expeience.

Agreed but, these are two people he trained to be there very best and Dick weather he likes it or not is more like Bruce everyday and one day he may very well be the worlds new equallivent to that times Batman just as Tim may. Either of them would lose to him now and probably if it were their future incarnations, if it was INDIVIDUALLY. They aren't losing to Bruce as a team. They are both gonna know what to expect from him and even guess what not to. Together they are coming at him from two fronts. With Dick having studied him for 20 years and Tim for like what, 5? Together they will defeat him. Tim and Dick are both better than Bruce in different catagories. This has been stated by Bruce himself on many occations, DIck with his leadership and acrobatics and Tim with his intellect and dective skills. You add both their advantages together along with their youth, knowledge and the sheer fact there are two of them to his one. Bruce will loose this.

Its like you have a 85% Batman and a 65% Batman together attacking a 100% Batman. I don't know how good you are at math and this is just a rough ballpark figure but,

150>100, especially when it can be two places at once and you can't!

Yes, and keep in mind, Nightwing is EXTREMELY adept, he argueably would give batman a tough time by himself

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Yes, and keep in mind, Nightwing is EXTREMELY adept, he argueably would give batman a tough time by himself

Thank You!
Like I said Nightwing take a few solo. Only like 3/10 but that is still amazing!
You add Tim to the equation and Batman is in some shit!

Very very close fight, could go either way. Dick and Tim fight well as a duo, so they have teamwork on their side and not just the numbers advantage.

I want to say the two of them take a very slight majority, but I have a nagging feeling Batman might put the prep to better use, and they might have had more of an advantage if it were in Bludhaven instead of Gotham.

Batman - Why? Because he's Batman mother ****@.

Nightwing can almost Solo Batman.

Throw in Robin?

It's over for Bruce.