Namor v.s. Thor (No Mjolnir)

Originally posted by rotiart
Now this isn't gospel or anything, but...

From Wikipedia:

Thor is a superb hand-to-hand combatant and has mastered a number of weapons such as the war hammer, sword, and mace. Thor is also very cunning and intuitive in battle, with many centuries of experience. Thor possesses two items that assist him in combat: the Belt of Strength and his mystical hammer Mjolnir. The first item doubles Thor's strength, [12] while the second can used for flight; weather control; energy projection; dimensional control; matter manipulation and the God Blast, which is a channelling of Thor's godly essence into one massive burst of energy.

Too bad Thor still has that pesky belt. 😄

Without the belt Thor is still much stronger than Namor.

Funny how Thor and Herc have been displayed as equals in strength as well as Thor and Hulk, but when its said that Namor and Herc were evenly matched, it gets thrown out the window. I do understand that feats are important in showing ones superior strength to another, but not everyone has to have equal feats of strength to be considered equal in battle. Prime example of lack of strength feats are Juggernaut and Captain Marvel, yet they are labeled as equals to Hulk and Superman. Or at least in the same league. Namor is said to be in the same league as Thor and Hulk yet it gets discredited.😬

Originally posted by jrodslam
Funny how Thor and Herc have been displayed as equals in strength as well as Thor and Hulk, but when its said that Namor and Herc were evenly matched, it gets thrown out the window. I do understand that feats are important in showing ones superior strength to another, but not everyone has to have equal feats of strength to be considered equal in battle. Prime example of lack of strength feats are Juggernaut and Captain Marvel, yet they are labeled as equals to Hulk and Superman. Or at least in the same league. Namor is said to be in the same league as Thor and Hulk yet it gets discredited.😬

Captain Marvel has been STATED to be as strong as superman.

The Juggernaut...well..he's the ****ing Juggernaut, *****!

And besides that, he's had a few strength feats of his own.

Originally posted by Soljer
He rarely wears it, as far as I remember. I believe it tires him.

Though I could be mistaken.

heres a fight with Loki and Fenris, notice thor does not have the mjinor.
http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thorbeatdown1bw.jpg

Weird, I always thought most of Thor's power was connected to him holding the hammer.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Weird, I always thought most of Thor's power was connected to him holding the hammer.

According to Odin, Mjolnir channels Thor's true power and that Thor himself is supposedly beyond even Asgard.

However most of Thor's power with the exception of lightning is used only while gripping Mjolnir. It was shown in the Ragnarok arc that Thor is indeed powerful even without Mjolnir.

Oh okay, thanks for clearing that up.

i'm with soujaboy here... had the thread starter not said "blood lust is on" i would have maybe said thor 6/10.

but since it IS on, thor often when in times of peril or times of being angry has beat his opponents to a pulp. i believe that since this is a bloodlusted fight thor takes this atleast 9/10...

i think thor outclasses namor in every way.

Originally posted by Soljer
Namor's greatest strength feats? Thousands of tons.

Thor's? Million, billions, or even sextillions.

Hundreds of thousands, actually.

Thor is still a LOT stronger, though. Like 100 times if we take best feats of both.

Depends how Namor fights. He is IMO a lot faster then Thor, and can fly (which Thor can't do without hammer). Since the suit keeps him virtually at the same strength as in water, he has the speed and flying edge, it could practically be the duplication of this:
http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/4816/namorvsthor48yh.gif

And if he gets Thor to water (If they are in Manhattan, it probably wouldn't be that hard) he could beat him there too.

All in all, I'd say it's 4-5/10 to Namor. Thor has durability, skills and strength. Namor has speed and flying, plus suit that keeps him hydrated for the duration of the fight, which basically is same as a low level healing factor.

It will just take him longer to punch Thor into submission then it takes for Thor to punch Namor into submission. But Namor's extra speed and flying enables him to evade Thor's punches and punch Thor more times then Thor can punch him.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Yea it really is...

Namor is no where near the strength lv of Herc, Gladiator, BRB, Superman, Thor, Wonder Woman, etc.

Thor high strength feats are definatly quite above, but you shouldnt argue only in that point of view, regulary wise while not even equal to Thor bracet, hes not far down.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Funny how Thor and Herc have been displayed as equals in strength as well as Thor and Hulk, but when its said that Namor and Herc were evenly matched, it gets thrown out the window. I do understand that feats are important in showing ones superior strength to another, but not everyone has to have equal feats of strength to be considered equal in battle. Prime example of lack of strength feats are Juggernaut and Captain Marvel, yet they are labeled as equals to Hulk and Superman. Or at least in the same league. Namor is said to be in the same league as Thor and Hulk yet it gets discredited.😬

And its exactly by the same example of Namor and Herc, that we know WW isent Superman`s equal even if she has also been called as such.

You dont have that with CM and Superman.

Originally posted by olympian
Thats quite an exagerattion Souja. If he wasent *nowhere* *near* these guys he wouldn`t do more than just hold its own in a physical match. And he does.

Thor high strength feats are definatly quite above, but you shouldnt argue only in that point of view, regulary wise while not even equal to Thor bracet, hes not far down.

The major problem with the statement that regards Namor as Herc`s equal is that it has been showed at least twice in direct comparation that Herc was stronger.

And its exactly by the same example of Namor and Herc, that we know WW isent Superman`s equal even if she has also been called as such.

You dont have that with CM and Superman.

I find that to be flawed logic seeing as how Wolverine has "held his own" in physical confrontations with many characters who were far above himself. Does that mean he's as strong as the characters? no, all it means is that the comic was written in a manner that strength differences were generally ignored.

Yes, according to feats, handbooks, etc, Namor is far down the list when it comes to characters such as Thor, BRB, Gladiator, Hercules, etc.

Now with this give Thor the automatic win? no, however it does help especially when combined with Thor's lv of skill.

Wolverine`s case its more one of popularity aura. Hes practically the name at Marvel that sells more, outside Spiderman.

Also, its always more a case of also him having an insane healing ability and durability. Its never much a case of strength, altho some few examples fall in that category.

Namor for me, regulary is low class 100 strengthwise. He used to be higher in the 70`s wich is where his wins against Hulk happened IIRC, but outside of that the majority of showings place him a bit lower. Still, i dont think theres such a major gap between the likes of Namor and WonderMan with the likes of Hercules and Thor. Its not like hes a whole class below like Thing.

Wolverine holds his own against character with the use of claws, not physical strength.

Namor actually trades blows with them. Makes them feel his punches and takes their punches himself. Has always done so.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Wolverine holds his own against character with the use of claws, not physical strength.

Namor actually trades blows with them. Makes them feel his punches and takes their punches himself. Has always done so.

Yet there is still that huge difference in strength. You don't see Namor Shaking planets, lifting planet size objetcs, shaking planets with single blows, etc. For Thor these are all to common feats, hence is the reason I believe that's there is a huge gap in their dtrength.

They are not really common feats for him. They are his high tier ones. I agree that he is a lot stronger if we judge by higher ones, but we should judge by all feats and use the middle ground as a point. The point remains that Namor has never shown that he can't fight against High Class 100 on near-equal terms. And even win on water.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Yet there is still that huge difference in strength. You don't see Namor Shaking planets, lifting planet size objetcs, shaking planets with single blows, etc. For Thor these are all to common feats, hence is the reason I believe that's there is a huge gap in their dtrength.

Originally posted by Galan777
And Thor has accomplished all of these feats w/o the Mjolnir?

How exactly would Mjolnir lift anything?

I'm not sure Mjolnir can be of use in an arm wrestling contest?

Yes Thor hit the earth with Mjolnir, and it began to shake.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Yes Thor hit the earth with Mjolnir, and it began to shake.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
They are not really common feats for him. They are his high tier ones. I agree that he is a lot stronger if we judge by higher ones, but we should judge by all feats and use the middle ground as a point. The point remains that Namor has never shown that he can't fight against High Class 100 on near-equal terms. And even win on water.

If were going to use mid tier feats for Tho than its only fair that we do the same for Namor. In doing so Namor will continue to be much weaker than Thor.

As for your Namor being faster than Thor, that's something I highly doubt.

Not JUST mid tiers, all feat but calculate the consisitency between them.

And Thor is only faster in flight speed (Even that is only with Mjolnir). Namor has better speed feats on other things.

And don't you know that Mjolnir enchances Thor's punching feats? I mean, he's never destroyed an planet with his own hands or anything. And he can't do stuff like godblast without it either.